Detox Tricks: Parasites, Heavy Metals, Toxins | Joshua Macin

Introducing Josh Macin

I couldn't comprehend my own internal [music] dialogue. It was just spinning, looping, negative, dark thoughts. I actually had to file bankruptcy, spent every penny I had, went into debt, tried all the supplements, yoga, mantras, [music] meditations, therapists, fasting, juice fasting, water fasting, drinking my own urine. Literally just desperate to find something. I went deep. Once I started drinking ayahuasca, I started viewing everything as a spiritual illness. I remember the very last ceremony, the shamans looked at me, said god damn muerte.

Basically I was >> [music] >> I'm near to death, and they looked at me and laughed. Like, "Sí, amigo." And I realized, holy shit, this is not as spiritually complex as I'm making it out to be. I'm being poisoned every single [music] day. And that's when my my life changed. What I did to get well is I just said, "Give me the solution. I'm going to do the solution.

I'm going to see how I feel." And I learned about my body that way. >> I completely agree [music] with that. If testing worked, we wouldn't all be chronically ill. Josh Mason, welcome to my podcast. Good to be here. This is very exciting. I think we connected a couple of years ago when I got really sick from mold Yeah. and was trying to figure out what was wrong with me.

And we had a couple conversations that were very interesting, and I wanted to get a podcast in for a very long time. So, before we get into all the questions I have, can you give a background about who you are, what happened to you, how you got to have a following about and talk about what you talk about, which is interesting. Totally. Yeah, so um I basically had three different lifetimes in this life.

Life Before the Illness

I had my life before illness, I had my illness, and then I had life after illness. Yeah. And my life before illness, I was traveling around the world competing in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I was a world champion, Pan American champion, super successful um at Jiu-Jitsu, but I was also successful in my career. Um I was an analyst at several different companies working in finance and living in Lower East Side. Like, I thought I had it all, and I thought I had life figured out.

The Sudden Collapse (2013)

And in October of 2013, I hit that what I now know is like the body burden point where I had a complete health collapse. It was a major mental, physical, spiritual collapse that seemed like it was overnight. It was about a 2-week period of time where I went from being that guy, whoever that Josh was, for my first lifetime, to like being in the fetal position, crying, unable to function, panic attacks, not sleeping, um hearing voices, hearing all kinds of terrible negative voices in my head, um totally like totally not functional. Um I was panicking every single hour of the day. I was not sleeping, um and that was just the start. Right? That was just the start.

Um that went on for 4 years. And for those 4 years, I basically lived in a 24/7, maybe 21/7, cuz I slept for a couple hours a night, state of pure terror. It's very hard to put into words if someone hasn't dealt with it, but you essentially feel like you are tripping on acid, right? Like, I didn't I didn't wasn't taking any drugs, wasn't taking anything, wasn't altering my state, but I felt like I was tripping on drugs every single day. I was just a walking panic attack. Um I started losing faculties, I started to not trust myself, I started to uh my like the the one narration where my entire life before that, I had like one or two voices in my head that were narrating my life, it's it splintered out into like five, six different voices. I mean, not like schizophrenic voices, but just like I couldn't comprehend my own internal dialogue, my own internal internal narration.

It was just spinning, looping, negative, dark thoughts. >> okay.

Four Years of Psychological Hell

You know, 4 years of that and doing everything I possibly could to heal. I did ketamine IVs, I did uh ton of mushrooms, I lived in the Amazon jungle for almost a year and drank ayahuasca 31 times. >> Wow. >> So, I just just smashed myself with ayahuasca and just kept going deeper and deeper and deeper. I was doing a dieta, which is like an apprenticeship with the shamans, which is the deepest let's call it stage of of ayahuasca. Like, I wasn't just at a normal facility with other, you know, gringos. I was like isolated in the Amazon only dealing with shamans who didn't speak English and in a isolated in a hut without human contact >> and drinking drinking ayahuasca four times a week. Um and this was all with severe mold, mercury poisoning, and Lyme disease, which I didn't know at the time. >> So, you you assumed it was something like psychological burnout and you needed to kind of get your mental faculties back, basically. And so treated it that way initially. >> The first way that I treated was through psychiatric medications.

That was the first step. >> Oh. >> like That was the first 4 months. I I just broke down to my parents and I was like, "I don't know what's going on. I've lost control of my my mind. I've really lost control over whoever I thought I was." And so I tried like seven, eight different psych medications, none of them worked, and I ended up flushing them cold turkey to go fly to the Amazon. That was probably a good decision, honestly. >> Not the cold turkey part. >> Not the cold turkey part, but the not continuing them and doing something else.

Searching Everywhere for Healing

Yeah, so I was I was I was doing research and and, you know, learned about this ayahuasca thing and flew to the Amazon, and I had several visits after that. So, once I started drinking ayahuasca, I started viewing my illness differently, started viewing the world differently, and I started to view everything as a spiritual illness. Yeah, okay. >> why I was still on the path of ayahuasca, cuz I thought it was a spiritual, emotional illness. I didn't even take into account toxicity. I didn't know anything about that. That didn't exist in my world. Um so, it was purely, to answer your question, it was purely a function of I feel spiritually sick, I feel emotionally sick.

Something is wrong with like my bloodline, like my family, like everything that's going on, you know, my grandparents had a lot of is certain, you know, illness, and my parents had dealt with their with their stuff. So, I'm like, "This is just a bloodline thing, and I'm going to purge it from my bloodline." >> And that's okay. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. That was the the space behind continuing to drink ayahuasca, even though it was fracturing me, totally and utterly fracturing me. You're starting your own college? >> Yeah, well, it's well started. The progressive's hope for universal education at something approximating zero cost. That's what we've got. >> We can bring you [music] the best lectures that you will be able to get anywhere in terms of their quality of content [music] and also the production values. >> All the people we're bringing on board are existential philosophers [music] in some real sense. We think that a humanities education should enrich your experience in every direction and be nothing but positive.

Well, except also difficult and challenging, but that's also positive. Yeah, we surely didn't have that when I was a kid. This was 2016. I I finalized my my I remember very vividly it was my last ayahuasca ceremony, cuz we the shamans and I I I nearly died in the ceremony. I was 25 lb underweight. I was fainting every day. >> Oh. I was completely just emaciated and just at the end of my rope.

This was 3 and 1/2 years into it. Into into giving everything I had. Went was bankrupt. So, I I actually had to file bankruptcy. Spent every penny I had. Went into debt. Um tried all the supplements, yoga, mantras, meditations, therapists, all the different things.

For those 4 years, it's not like I was just drinking ayahuasca. I was doing everything. >> Yeah. Um fasting, juice fasting, water fasting, you drinking my own urine. Like, literally just desperate to find something.

The Discovery of Mercury Poisoning

I went deep, right? >> So, yeah, so I remember the very last ceremony, the shamans looked at me, and we we said in Spanish, and they laughed. We were just like, "Ser god damn muerte," you know, in this very terrible Spanish, but um basically I was I'm near to death, and they looked at me and laughed. Like, "Sí, amigo." Cuz they they laugh at everything. They're they don't they don't have the same moral overlay that that Westerners do. They're just like, "Oh, if he dies, he dies," you know. Um so, which is hard to believe, but that's that's the space they carried.

You know, they were pure indigenous Shipibo shamans. Life and death is all connected to them. So, that was the last That was the second to last ceremony, and then the next day I drank a little teaspoon and had another really bad experience, and then we said, "I'm I'm done." And I flew home, and I was 2 days away a 3 days away from going to Africa for my last chance at life to to take iboga. Mhm. Sure you've heard of people with last chance efforts with their psychological or or addiction issues, and they just go to go to iboga, and everything heals. >> Yeah. And so that was my last chance.

And I found out about mercury poisoning 3 day 2, 3 days before getting on that plane. And that's when my my life changed. And I went into a total detoxification process. No more spiritual, even though I'm very spiritual now, I put that aside, and I realized, holy shit, after seeing my mercury results and seeing my Lyme test results and learning about all these physical ailments, I've I've been poisoned this whole time. This is not as spiritually complex as I'm making it out to be. I'm being poisoned every single day. I had mercury fillings.

Oh my gosh, okay. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. >> So, then did you end up doing chelation? Oh, yeah. Yeah, but not first. Right?

So, I was in such bad shape that I would eat a piece of spinach and my belly would bloat a couple inches. I would drink water and my belly would bloat. I couldn't eat food, I couldn't digest food. I was throwing up my meals. Um I was literally just a walking dead person. This is going to sound like I'm like making these symptoms up, but you you know you know them. Yeah. >> listening to my podcast, too.

When I slowly started like drag myself out of like death, I was like a walking dead person. Like I looked at like that, too. Like green and pale and like zombie-like and like dragging yourself around. So, no I know I I I get it. >> I have a photo of me for my visa to go to Gabon. Uh I was yellow. Yeah. >> literally yellow. >> I I used to be like I don't think I was yellow, but I was I wasn't a color makeup could match. It was like greenish It was greenish.

Yeah. So, I was in such bad shape that there were so many secondary issues that were caused by the heavy metals, by the mold, and by the Lyme that I couldn't just go after those culprits, if you will. I had to heal my mast cells, I had to heal my mucus membrane, I had to heal my gut, and I had to calm my nervous system down. I could I would never be able to handle like cilantro or EDTA or any of the keylators out there. It would have put me in a hospital. >> Yeah. Just like um like a NAC or like vitamin C would have sent me in a in a 3-4 hour panic attack.

Rebuilding the Body From Near Death

Sometimes multiple day panic attack. >> I've been near that, for sure. And my dad's been quite ill recently. And he's got like mass It's same kind of thing. Mhm. Although we've ruled out We haven't ruled Mold was a big Mold was a big problem. There's some other things going on. Um and we ruled out heavy metals, but it's the same thing.

Like your body can get to a point where you can't tolerate any of the treatments. >> Yes. And that I think that's part of the reason I got stuck on the meat diet was cuz it was like I can't take any supplements. Like I can't do anything. I'm just going to wait. And then slowly things kind of calm down. But keep going. I do want to get into like So, you used Did you start with mast cell stabilization?

Absolutely. Yes, so I started with um a very specific gut healing mast cell and binder protocol. So, the gut healing portion is the slippery elm bark, um the glutamine, the butyric acid. I was taking suppositories with probiotics in them. I was doing enemas with probiotics and bone broth. Um I was doing uh all different kinds of uh acacia fiber and um all different kinds of probiotics and goat milk kefir and I was literally taking 15 different gut healers in like one smoothie that we now call the gut healing smoothie in my company. Um because it's just this like massive concoction of gut healing compounds that's that's incredible.

And so, I did that in conjunction with ketotifen. Yeah. >> And so, ketotifen has been a game-changer for like the success rate on that is stuff is insane when you do when you take it correctly. And I'm not a doctor and I'm not recommending anyone do this without a doctor, but ketotifen is a mast cell stabilizer, it's also an antihistamine, and when you take it at the dose that Klinghardt recommends and Dr. Mark Clark or or actually Mark Clark is a pharmacist, not a doctor. It's 1 mg four times a day, 20 minutes before meals, and then after 60 days, you double the dose to 2 mg four times a day. And after that 60-70 day mark, it starts working miracles on for me and for my clients. And and it it just calms down the whole nervous system and allows you to be able to tolerate foods again.

It allows you to be able to eat different things, take different supplements. And then binders were the magic for me. >> Mhm. So, I was you know cholestyramine. You know all the you know good binders as well. But I was taking like Enterosgel and microsilica and bamboo charcoal and and um uh citrus pectin and and like seven eight different binders all in this one big drink that I would blend, you know, shake up and and drink in the in the morning. And so, I was basically grabbing all the toxins that were floating around the gut that were destroying my gut lining. I was healing the gut lining and I was telling the mast cells to go quiet.

Calm down. It's not time. Like you don't have to react to spinach. Like you don't have to react to to wa- to water, right? >> And then I went deep into parasite cleansing and released hundreds of worms. I photos of hundreds of worms, right? That's horrible. I Okay, so for me I did like my journey was incredibly ill and then I went the dietary route and I calmed almost all of my symptoms really all of my symptoms down for a period of time by just eating meat and was like, "Whoa, this is amazing."

Got off all the medications. Everything was great. And then I moved into a couple of moldy like fairly moldy places, not visible mold, but behind the drywall and just and deteriorated brutally, really rapidly. So, I think I was in a state where like I was fine, but it any exposure was not going to be good, which was why I like couldn't eat a carrot, couldn't have spinach. It was like I could do meat, unaged meat, and that was about it. Um and then mold put me over the edge. And then I I um was connected with Dr.

Gabrielle Lyon who worked with someone who went overseas and came back and had parasites and was really sick. Yeah. And learned a bunch about parasites, didn't realize that they're rampant and that it's just as bad here as it is anywhere else. We're just told that it everyone here is clean, which isn't true, and we can't test for them properly.

Finding and Treating Parasites

How did you even find out you had parasites in the first place? >> Well, funnily enough, I did a parasite stool test and it came back that my that I didn't have parasites. And I said, "I don't I don't I don't really know about this. My gut is destroyed." Yeah. Um and I started doing essential oil Not recommending this. Essential oil suppositories. >> Oh my gosh. >> So, I would make a suppository. >> to hurt, no? No, I mean a slight burn.

Depends what you use. I was using garlic. Okay. >> Garlic essential oil is the smelliest thing you could ever imagine. >> I was clearing hot yoga classes. Like people would literally leave run away from me at hot yoga classes. >> that. >> Yeah, all right. And so, but the reason I was doing them was because after 3 days of doing them, I released a roundworm. It would look like it was an earthworm. I have a photo of it.

And when that came out of me, my entire paradigm changed. >> Yeah, uh yeah, it would. You'd be like, "Okay, well, that's probably not making me feel great." That was the death that was in me. That was death. And I and I finally had like an actual object to project onto and like, "That's the reason, you know." Um now granted, of course, that's not the only reason, but >> done a lot Do you know where you picked them up? Had you done a lot of traveling or anything overseas or do you think this was from just natural New York habitat? >> Overseas made it worse, but I will tell you that now I'm 10 years removed from illness.

Um it happens here. Yeah. It happens here. It happens in restaurants. It happens with animals. It it happens because of door handles, toilet seats. Um there's parasite eggs everywhere.

It's on the fruit. It's on all different kinds of foods, pork. I don't eat pork anymore. An absolute no-no for me. Um and I don't eat fish, you know, I don't eat fish. I'm mostly I mostly eat meat. Uh I subscribe to a similar diet.

I also eat berries, meat, butter, eggs, and olive oil. It's basically all I eat. >> Okay. Um and that's how I perform at my absolute best. >> I started Not not to sidetrack you. So, I started eating a few other things cuz I haven't been able to tolerate like blueberries, for instance. I tried in 20 20 I think it was 2020 and like it wasn't terrible, but after two or three weeks, I was like, "Oh, I cannot do this." And I started getting arthritis again. And then I had a salad at one point and it wasn't like this huge salad.

It was basically lettuce maybe a year later and I was out for like 2 weeks. I was like, "Okay." But then after mold treatment and parasite treatment, I was like, "Maybe I'm less sensitive." So, I started incorporating in like pan-fried arugula with tallow. It was like that was pretty easy, but I still think after doing that for it it's been like a number of months. I think I still feel best just eating meat. >> Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense, right?

Cuz of all the inflammatory compounds, yeah, you know. So so yeah, the the roundworm came out and I said, "I'm going all in into this." And I released hundreds of worms, hundreds. There's something called a ropeworm, which is I guess mainstream science will just say that it's your intestinal lining, but I've been doing this for 10 years uh nine nine years. I've had thousands of clients. I've seen a lot. This is in my very strong, firm opinion is not intestinal lining.

This is This is a type of parasite that is not tested. It's not been scientifically proven or or or you know, understood what it is. But there's also tapeworms. There's roundworms. There's um you know, there's liver flukes. And these things come out when you do the right parasite cleanse. Not the thing that you go to CVS and you buy like wormwood and this and that.

You got to do it correctly. And the correct way to do it, in my opinion, not medically speaking >> [laughter] >> I'm not a doctor. is is um is the the suppositories done correctly with like mimosa, which mimosa pudica, and also um uh there's some liposomal formations. I also really like ivermectin and fenbendazole. Did you Did you end up taking that? >> Yeah, I did. Um the testing So, I did more of a Well, so I got tested and then treated what they found. And I'm fully aware that like depending on the sample you send in, maybe that doesn't show up in that sample or maybe they're not even testing for the right one. So, that's not necessarily the best way to do it.

Because I like I don't trust parasite testing at all. After being tested negative for like 10 years and then um my doctor ended up sending a stool sample to Africa and to a university in Africa and a old school parasitologist that like just looks at the sample under a microscope was like, "Oh yeah, you have all these things." >> Of course the lab sent it all over, yeah. What? So, we're running samples through computers and looking at PCR testing and everyone's just showing up negative cuz our testing sucks? That's really like future futuristic of us. Great. Amazing.

So, um anyway, so I I did take I don't know if I did ivermectin in like the right dose or anything. Um I did mebendazole. >> Mebendazole, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Mebendazole. That one was one of them. And then H. pylori, I think was what was causing me the majority of my issues. Yeah. >> And I had tested positive actually at low levels for that for a long time, but because I had no classic symptoms, they were just like, well, ignore it, even though I couldn't eat anything. Yeah. >> And then eventually, um, after I took I I took prednisone after I had an allergic reaction one time cuz I couldn't It was an anaphylactic reaction. I My body wouldn't calm down, so I was on prednisone for about a week.

And after that, the H. pylori like shot up, and then I had all the classic like burning symptoms. It was like, I think I'm going to die. Wow. And so then I took antibiotics for that. That made a huge difference. So that and then some some It was mebendazole and I think that was the main one for parasites. >> Yeah, that's the That's the human approved one. The fen- Some people use fenbendazole, which is for animals, um, cuz it's just hard to find a lot of this stuff through mainstream medicine. >> Yeah.

But yeah, that's that's a powerful That's a powerful one. Um And it wasn't even bad. That was the thing. Like I've been so avoidant of antibiotics and medications since I stopped taking medications like 10 years ago. I was like, well, antibiotics, maybe that's what's made me sick. I'm going to avoid any type of pharmaceutical period unless I feel like I'm about to die. And I finally got to that point.

I was like, okay, give me the antibiotics. Like I think I'm about to die. >> I had the same paradigm. Yeah. I had to I had to shift in real I I I I I I had to shift, too, for sure. And then the treatment, I experienced anyway, wasn't this horrifying treatment I thought it was going to be. Like I thought if I take something, especially a pharmaceutical, I'm going to feel terrible. And And it's going to hurt. >> Yeah. >> And the H. pylori treatment hurt a little bit, but the parasite treatment didn't hurt at all.

I was just like, okay, now I feel better. And that's probably because you were doing this anti-inflammatory diet. If people off the street were to do it and they don't have their drainage pathways open and they have leaky gut and they're eating inflammatory foods, I think it I think it'll hurt it hurts, you >> Oh, really? I'd also been taking cholestyramine periodically for like a year and a half. Yeah. And wasn't sick from mold anymore or anything. And then you're also with the cholestyramine, you're grabbing onto all of the die-off cuz when parasites die, they release gases. >> was taking I actually was taking a binder at the same time for fear of the die-off, Yeah.

That's that's key information. Okay. >> For sure. Don't jump straight to doing a parasite cleanse. Seriously, like unless you're in peak peak health because when they die, they release ammonia and other gases, um, and they also screw with your chemicals, right? >> if the binder is what avoided that, too, cuz I was worried. I was like, I think this is going to be awful, and it wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. is excellent.

What's really interesting about the human cell is that it's a problem. >> There are forces [music] behind the scenes that are moving you. You have no idea what they are. You'll find nihilists always break things down to their parts. Just electric currents going through some matter. That's what thoughts are, right? The secret to being miserable is to have the leisure to bother about whether you're happy or not. The West is struggling with issues around what it is to lead a meaningful life. >> the sense of being connected to something larger than oneself.

We tell a bit of a story about [music] ourselves. If I tell myself a good story, it's going to change me. If I tell myself a bad story, [music] it's going to change me. So, what's the story? >> The bigger dragon you confront, the more [music] potential will be released within you. If you really throw yourself into the fray, like wholeheartedly, who knows who you could become? So did you You did mast cell stabilization, then tackled parasites? Yeah, and there was the mast cells, the gut healing, the binders, all in this one 6-month phase that was life-changing.

Like I came back to life, basically. I stopped having panic attacks in those 6 months. I didn't even get rid of any heavy metals. I didn't address the mold. I didn't address the Lyme. And I was actually like functional. That was just And you think ketotifen?

I tried ketotifen, Uh-huh. but not very much. >> I tried the dose you told me to, but I think I took one, and it made me anxious, and I was like, I don't want to do it. It It The first couple weeks, it gives a little bit of a creepy, weird feeling. >> And it can And you can You might feel really tired. Sometimes you can get anxious and tired at the same time. That 2-week period of time is an investment. Once that 2-week time is is done, it there is I'm not saying this for everyone, but like nine more 95 out of 100 people will have zero zero uh symptoms whatsoever from the ketotifen. It's non-toxic, non-addictive, um and uh so it's that first couple weeks that are really difficult for people. But it gets better. >> push through.

I was I was dying, so I was just like, I don't care how I feel, and I slept through the first 2 weeks, and I just slept and slept and slept, and then I woke up, and I was like, I was able to eat again. I wasn't throwing up anymore. >> Yeah, that's crazy. But I didn't When I was It was very weird dreams and weird thoughts, and it was a weird feeling, so I could understand why you quit. >> Okay. >> Cuz it's But But you got to just Yes, push through it. Yeah, [laughter] I know. I will at some point. Okay. So parasites.

Yeah. Then what? So yeah, so it was actually the the binders, the gut healing, the all of that, then I started to tackle the parasites. And I was taking liposomal formulas. I was doing rectal suppositories. I was doing coffee enemas with uh parasite herbs, which is a lot of fun. And um And cuz by the way, right?

When you introduce things rectally, basically it enters your blood via the portal vein and and crosses the blood-brain barrier when you take a suppository. So you're systemically killing parasites with this stuff. And I had to cuz I was so dead that oral things weren't working in the same way. I had to hit things systemically. Um So I mean, that's like, you know, IVs can do that as well, but but suppository is good. So anyway, How did you figure out what to use? Cuz I know like I've talked about parasites a little bit on the internet since my since my experience, but I did the pharmaceutical route.

People are buying There's There's so many things. I'm getting targeted them for like ads on Facebook. >> Yeah. Facebook knows what I want to see or Meta knows what I want to see. But like, how do you know what a legit parasite cleanse is as opposed to you know, taking one of the scams on the internet? And by the way, on the other scams, there's two different companies that AI'd my voice cuz I'm like known as the parasite guy on on Instagram. They AI'd my voice, and they're having me talk about their product, but it's totally AI, >> Yeah, I know. I know. >> [snorts] >> People have to be aware of that.

It's happening with It's happening everywhere. >> looks pretty decent, too. It's like, "Well, is that me? I don't remember talking about that, you know." >> Um so anyway, we shut them down. So, uh parasites, well, I was like an I was like an alchemist. I just tinkered. My my my life was on the line. There was very few people who I thought could understand what I was going through.

And so I had a couple doctors I was talking to. I had another guy who had gone really really deep with detox, and he had a blog. Um And he's disappeared off the face of the earth. I don't know where he went. But But But I was kind of just learning from all these different people and tinkering and exploring and experimenting and um you know, obviously being as safe as I can and starting with really really low dose of everything, but I was a a guinea pig. So why do coffee coffee enemas actually do something? Oh, yeah.

That sounds No. You have to do that. >> I've gone pretty far out there. Like I did I was talking about doing like FMT way before people were talking about doing FMT and things. But no, I didn't get into the coffee enema. It makes you feel amazing. Why? Is that just caffeine though that you're absorbing? >> It's different.

Yeah, it's different. So I By the way, I have like super super wealthy clients who you'd never expect who are doing coffee enemas, you know, who are like are anti anything like biohacking, and they're like doing coffee enemas four times a week. Um so there's it's it's >> What does it do other than give you like I can I can see how it would give you an up just from absorbing caffeine. What does it do other than that? >> glutathione Oh. Okay? So it also when you hold the enema, the coffee enema, um it stimulates glutathione production. It also strengthens your peristalsis.

So it actually is going to improve your bowel movements. If you just do water enemas, it doesn't have the same effect. The coffee has this effect of of stimulating the the peristalsis and strengthening it. You also I suppose that's what happens when you drink coffee, right? Uh yes, but it's totally different cuz coffee is acidic, uh and so when you when you take the acidic coffee in and it gets absorbed via the small intestine and the stomach, you you get a massive jitter, and you you pull from the adrenals. Coffee rectally has a totally different effect. It does not give you the um the jitters.

Especially when you add a little salt to it. All right? >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Okay. You're pretty good at selling this. I've I've got to admit. No, you have to do it. You have to try it.

Like all the people watching should try it. It's It's such an amazing therapy. It It clears your brain. It makes you feel alert. Um it helps with your your liver, like healing the liver and um you know, liver detoxification. And you can also do really cool things to the coffee enema. You can put herbs in it.

You know, you can do different things. There's different um You can make, you know, ozone coffee enema, for instance, or other oxidative treatments that kill parasites, kill viruses, kill Lyme disease right via the portal vein the into the liver, which is Okay, what is this portal vein? I don't think I've heard of the portal vein, either. It's basically a in like an artery or a vein that is that connects, um, your liver to the rest of your body and your blood and your brain. So it's like you when you take things rectally, it's supercharged. Taking an herb orally versus taking an herb rectally is a completely different experience. >> I do believe that. Yeah. >> Like I I do That That does make sense to me.

And you can take like for people who are skeptical and listening, you There's a number of medications that you can take, especially for babies or children, that you can take rectally, and it's absorbed, and it's like kind of straight into the blood as opposed to be it being digested. >> That's it. The like it >> is a way to take things. Yeah. And I'm not saying that you have to do this. I'm just saying this is this was how I resurrected myself in the day. >> Yeah, okay. Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Wild.

Yeah. Okay, so keto to vegan or like mast cell stabilizing, then you tackled the parasites. Yes, then we did a I did a lot of liver cleansing. So, liver purging. Have you ever done a liver purge? Like Andreas Moritz purge? >> No. So, it's basically this thing in mainstream if I know a lot maybe some of your people are mainstream and they're or if they're very scientifically oriented, they probably will slam me and that's okay.

I'm okay. I'm used to that.

Detoxification and Liver Function

But so there's not a lot of true like scientific studies on this like liver stones and gallstones, but um I I've seen enough. I've been around the block. I've seen what happens when I do these liver cleanses. The mainstream science will say that it's the olive oil that like congeals and turns into these green stones. I I just I I just don't believe it. I just don't buy that. I've had hundreds and hundreds of clients have life-changing experience from liver cleansing.

Um and my own my own journey as well proved it. And I released all of these green liver stones and gallstones during my liver purge. Okay, so um I would use the Andreas Moritz liver purge. This was a genius doctor vibrating at such a high level filled with light. He's passed on now, but he was radiating with light this guy. You can you can look at him. And he his thing was the liver is the most important organ in the body and you have to purify and purge the liver because it's taking the biggest burden from diet, from toxins, from our lifestyle. >> you explain to people who don't know?

Like so, I learned a little bit about this once I started binders and then people were kind of explaining like how you detoxify. But so, if you get exposed to like like mold it for example, if you get exposed to mold, it's full of mycotoxins. The mycotoxins that you inhale and everything that get into your blood, they're stored in fat tissue. And in order to get them fat out of fat tissue, they go through your liver, right? And then into bile and then you excrete that. And if your liver is overwhelmed, like a couple of things happen. One, your fat won't release stored toxins.

So, then you're just full of them. Yep. And then this is actually that's more well known in in literature, right? But like what happens when people get poisoned by something and like how it goes through the liver into bile. >> liver is talked about commonly. Yeah. Which is a similar, you know. But basically, yes, it's you you become sluggish because your liver cannot purify your blood anymore.

It's like an it's like an oil like an like an oil filter in your car. If you have an oil filter that's backed up for years and years and years, your oil in your ga- you know, you're going to burn through gasoline. Everything is going to get like sludgy. That's the same thing that happens to our blood. The blood gets very thick and sludgy when someone's liver is not functioning properly. When there's all kinds of different fatty deposits and toxins stored in there and and it's just it doesn't have enough breathing room. It doesn't have enough space to do its job.

It's just overwhelmed. That's wild. I And that so, I've had I've had so much blood work over the years and I know after a number of years of being only eating meat, I remember people commenting usually this was when I got sick from mold actually. I got sick from mold and I did EBOO, which is like a blood filter thing or or ozone. And so, you can like clearly see your blood. And people have commented not to boast about this, but that my blood looks good or thinner than what they're seeing, but not in a bad way. And I remember at that time being surprised that you could visually see the difference between people's blood. >> Yeah.

That seems not like not great.

Thick Blood, Pathogens, and Viral Load

You're like, "Oh, you have thick blood. That's not good." No, it's not. So, you think that's just from not being able to detoxify properly and then toxins build up or something? >> I think viral load also thickens the blood. I think spirochetes and viruses and different pathogens thicken the blood. I think diet thickens the blood. One thing that changed my life was getting really deep with diet and you did it yourself.

And with just going on meat, um I started diving really deep into Korean eight body types, which is this theory that basically there's eight different body types and everyone requires a different diet. But I noticed and I I'm my body type is hepatonia and we thrive on meat. Right? And I noticed when I would eat certain foods, I felt sluggish. I felt thick. I felt acidic. Like I could feel acidity in my saliva almost from certain foods.

And so, I do think that diet plays a huge role in blood as well. In in how someone, you know, and the inflammation in inside the blood. And if people are eating like when I was a vegan, I was eating tons of nuts, seeds, beans, grains, all of the high lectin foods. Yeah. >> They were inflaming the crap out of me, you know, and and making me super sick. And here I was thinking I was doing something healthy. So, how did you So, are castor oil packs and castor oils that's a thing? I had someone else talk about castor oil packs and I was like, "I don't I don't get it."

I didn't get too far into it on the podcast. I was like, "How can you put You can put castor oil on yourself?" Yeah. And then it absorbs through your skin? Yes. This is not the highest in my opinion, it's not the number one technique. It's a good additional technique.

And we do even more fringe things. Are we going to get banned on YouTube for this? >> [laughter] >> No, I've got I've done worse probably. >> so I sometimes we use DMSO with the castor oil packs because the DMSO will actually shoot the castor oil deeper Oh, interesting. through the skin and cross the blood brain barrier. >> Okay, DMSO. We need to we need to pause and explain what that is. So, I I think I actually learned to No, I I'd seen it online, but then dad bought some because he's been really sick. So, he's just like, "I don't try whatever." And my mom started using it cuz she had a scar. She was using it on and it completely smoothed out her skin.

Mhm. Like, what? I was like, "What's going on with your face? Are you wearing makeup? Like what's happening?" She's like, "No, I've been putting DMSO on." I was like, "Is that okay?

Like what are you doing?" Um and then I tried it and I I'm like weirdly sensitive to sulfur things. >> So, I did not I do not do that. That did not make me feel good. But >> a cream? Or what did you do? No, like um the actual liquid. But it must have been diluted with something.

Okay. Okay. >> Yeah, so DMSO is a solvent. You never want to put it directly on the skin. Dimethyl sulfoxide. >> tell my It will burn. It will will get a chemical burn at 99% potency and I've done it before. As I said, I'm a I'm a guinea pig. I've made all the mistakes. >> You will chemically burn yourself.

When it's diluted with castor oil or if it's diluted in other carrier oils or creams, Wow. it's really powerful. And it's it basically whatever it touches, whatever it's with it's connected with, whether it's an herb or a drug. I even know there's drug addicts who use drugs with DMSO and put it on their skin to get high. Wow. Right? Just like drug some drug addicts use things rectally. Yeah, yeah.

Drug addicts are efficient. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. They know how to get the most out of the drug. Yeah. And they use sometimes they can use DMSO, sometimes they can use rectal, you know, via rectal. And and I've heard stories direct stories from cuz I used to work with drug addicts at a cat yard. Um there was all kind of heroin addicts and and they would tell me these crazy things. Um Long story short, um I go into all these different tangents here, but um DMSO is going to essentially shoot whatever you bring it with deeper into the skin and cross the blood brain barrier. >> Mhm.

Mhm. And it's going to penetrate deeper. You can tell that because when you put it on your skin, so this wasn't the 99%. This was like super super super water down. Um but I could taste it. So, like you put it on your skin and then you can taste it and it's like, "Whoa." >> Yeah. Exactly.

So, that's a castor oil is good. The castor oil liver packs are good, but what we like is we like something called um Zen Cleans Forgive. It's a enzyme-based liver cleanse. And you consume nothing but enzymes for about 24 hours. And you purge the liver the night and Gary Brecka recommends these products as well and certain Dana White and raves about these products, too. Um they're they're legit. I know the owner.

Um and you drink olive oil with lemon at night and that forces the the liver to basically punch out all of the stones that it's carrying or the sometimes the gallbladder can be holding stones. And the mainstream explanation for this is that the olive oil turns into the stones. >> congealed. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Not that fast. Like how fast do the stones come out? Well, they come out the next morning. Yeah, well then that doesn't But I've also tried every experiment of mixing the olive oil, letting it sit for weeks at a time.

I've tried to figure out mixing it with food, mixing it with different fibers. I've never been able to get a green stone. I've never been able to do that. Never. >> Wow. And then also the Moritz cleanse. So, we use both. We use the Andreas Moritz cleanse.

We use the Zen Cleans liver. The Moritz cleanse is fantastic. And it's a preparation phase for about 3 4 days and then you do olive oil and liver uh olive oil and lemon at night. And then are you just in the bathroom for like a day? >> go right in the bed. You go right go right on the bed and you lay on your side. And the next morning you just Oh. punch out these these stones in a in a colander. Whoa. >> Yeah.

Yeah. And then how do you feel after that? Lighter. Whoa. >> Lighter. You know some another thing that I have in my head and none of this is scientific evidence. Just I'm all I'm just a detox dude, all right? But the thing that I have is I was drinking ayahuasca with a very well-known holistic psychiatrist.

He's very very well-known. He's been on Rogan. He's been all over the place. And I was drinking ayahuasca with him and he was releasing liver stones just drinking ayahuasca. Big gallstones this big like a golf ball. No olive oil, no lemon, no liver flushing cuz ayahuasca purifies the body sometimes. So that was another aha moment for me, you know, okay, there's something here. >> okay.

Yeah. And another you know, clue in the direction that it's not olive oil. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Wow, that's weird. So okay, back to castor oil. I just have one more question about that.

Why does that even do anything? What does it do? What is castor oil? From my understanding it's not that thorough. It's there's a ricin. It's like a slightly toxic compound that's in the castor oil. When you consume it orally, it's very very toxic to parasites.

Like parasites just I've seen on a microscope when you drop a drop of castor oil and parasite parasite eggs and parasites just like literally run away or die. They just get eviscerated. So it's a good parasite cleanse done in the right dose. Um, and then on the skin uh, it has a totally different effect, you know, and it it but I I don't actually understand it to be honest with you. >> I had it. Okay, I'll have to ask. I think it was Ben Lynch on my podcast. This is when I still wasn't feeling very good from mold.

So I was like, okay, how do I feel better? And he was like, you need castor oil packs. And then I never did one. Yeah, they're easy. They're really easy. >> but not that. Yeah, okay. So then you cleanse the liver, then what?

Um [laughter] then we move to um, sometimes people have a very intense viral load or mold toxicity. So we address that. So it's like Epstein-Barr and stuff. >> Epstein-Barr and Lyme and and, you know, and all of this stuff that's plaguing people. This stuff is is is nasty, you know, it's really hard. Um and, you know, there's you could see uh, Chris Williamson's making a bunch of videos recently about what he's going through, you know, you know, he's dealing with all kinds of viruses and pathogens and stuff like that. Yeah. So it's pretty full on. >> That's also what happens when your immune system is dampened, right?

Yes. >> Cuz I know I know from my blood work, from my dad's blood work, like when he got really sick over the summer, this was after a couple of mold exposures his Epstein-Barr numbers went through the roof. And I was like, well, that also can't be making you feel good.

Lyme, Epstein-Barr, and Immune Collapse

But then it was like kind of a whole immune system overload. Um, and then I've had Lyme and I've never done anything other than like what I've been doing. I don't know how much it's been actually plaguing me. Um I don't know about Epstein-Barr numbers. But that's pretty common for people whose immune system is just overrun, right? >> all these organisms are opportunistic. And a lot of people are exposed to these viruses anyway, but they don't end up with a like disease from them. Totally. >> They they can just handle it.

And then when you get shut down, you start getting overrun with parasites, mold, whatever touches you basically. Yeah, I think it's once people have a certain level of stress, trauma, tension you know, and that they're all this like the the body just shuts down, you know, like my wife is like she can handle anything, you know, like she just she probably has certain viruses or this or that or certain parasites, but she doesn't it doesn't phase her. It literally just doesn't phase her. Meanwhile, me, you know, I'm very very sensitive and I had a huge health collapse. So I'll always be sensitive. Do you think like getting back to you had mercury fillings, so obviously that's going to poison you. >> And I ate tuna fish. Like a lot?

I ate tuna like once a week during That's enough to matter? Oh my god, yeah. What? Absolutely. No one should be eating tuna fish. No one should be eating tuna fish. Do you eat tuna? [laughter] I mean, I've only been eating meat for like 8 years, but I ate tuna fish before that.

How do you feel about heavy metal testing? Do you think it's accurate or is it I mean, your test came back high, right? >> Yes, I had a HTMA hair test came back extremely off the charts. The guy who run the test ran the test called me. He was like, dude, how are you even alive? Um, and but sometimes cuz for instance, the test the test I did 2 months later did not show the same levels because it's a it's it's um, it's showing what you're excreting through the hair. So it can be majorly flawed. Yeah, so if you're overrun and you're not detoxing, then it's not showing up.

That's the problem with mold urine tests, too. Yes. >> Is if your body's overrun and you're not peeing it out, it doesn't show up. Exactly. >> are kind of they're iffy. 100% all of the testing has major um, you know, just flaws. All of the testing can only can only do so much. But then do you are people like if people are chronically ill, maybe not the average person, but if they're chronically ill and there's really no explanation, then do you just recommend that they kind of go through these list of things and treat all of them and just assume that there's a problem there? >> That's how we do it. We also like tests. Like we do like seeing certain Lyme tests and certain MTHFR cuz that's a very real thing, too.

The thyroid is so my I had severe hypothyroid in conjunction with all of this. That's the emotional gland, so that's why I was having so many panic attacks and unable to catch my emotions. >> gland? Emotional? Thyroid is labeled the emotional Oh, I thought this was a separate thing. I was like, what? That isn't a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so that when that's out of whack, people are very emotional, very emotionally unstable when you have severe hypothyroidism like I did. So um, so that we need to see tests for that, too. But in my opinion, when someone is really really sick, I'm like, just do the solution and see how you feel. >> isn't that bad. Solution is not that bad. The solution is helpful regardless of what your problem is because it's just helping an organ function better or it's killing pathogens. So I always just what I did to get well is I just said, give me the solution. I'm going to do the solution.

I'm going to see how I feel. Yeah, yeah. >> learned about my body that way. That's not necessarily scientific, yeah. >> agree with that though. Like testing if testing worked we wouldn't all be chronically ill. So Yeah. >> Like I agree. >> You have these wealthy people who knew exactly what was what was wrong with them and how to solve it. It's not the case. They go years and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and travel the world and see doctor after doctor after doctor and still have no progress.

Yeah, so there's a flaw in our testing. >> Oh, I agree. So then, you know, we we work with different um, herbs. There's different Lyme herbs. There's different mold herbs. We use glutathione nebulizers, glutathione nasal spray for people who have mold. Those are fantastic, you How do you feel about the topical ones? Love it.

Yeah? >> And melatonin topically, love it. Melatonin glutathione insanely powerful for people with mold and and Lyme disease. And melatonin for helping sleep specifically or something else? >> the two master antioxidants and they protect Yeah, melatonin and glutathione. You got to check out um, a guy named um Dr. John La Grange. He wrote a book called the Melatonin Miracle. Okay, I've heard of that book. >> Yeah, and he's in Florida.

He's a genius. Is he the one who that says that we've been dosing too high and to take a low dose? With melatonin? >> Yeah, or no? >> No, he's the opposite. >> [laughter] >> Really? John Well, John has products that have like, you know, 50, 75, 100 150 mg of melatonin. Okay. >> Right? Um and in in his book, from what I read, you know, he's explaining that when you take it you know, exogenously, it doesn't it doesn't affect your ability to produce it. Right?

Um, so that helped me tremendously. >> And did you do that? I did everything. I did skin cream. I did it rectally. I did it liposomally and I mixed the two together. Melatonin >> me a horrifyingly groggy and anxious in the morning. >> That passes. >> I'm hearing that a lot. >> You're not you're not making it past the crucible and you're giving up on really good treatments. >> badly, I'm like, nope, you know, like eating a food that doesn't go well. I'm like, okay, I'll just stop eating it.

I think food you're you have a right to do that. I think treatments sometimes it's um >> I I get that. I I talked to I don't know how you feel about this, but Dave Asprey's really into itraconazole for mold exposures. Like if you if you're still unbelievably sensitive to mold after you've been out of mold and you've taken binders and all these things, then maybe you need an actual antifungal. That's his opinion anyway. Yeah. >> keeps telling me about it. I'm like, I don't I don't know.

I took that and it made me feel bad, so I stopped. And he's like, yeah, that's cuz you need it. I was like, yeah, well I I understand that in theory, but it's kind of like I think I learned a lot about Herx reactions when I was really sick before I got to the meat diet. Um, I was trying to do got a gut healing protocol without getting as restrictive in my diet as I needed to be. So I was doing I was doing it kind of like what a someone who doesn't know what they're doing does, which was overdosing on probably the wrong probiotic and stuff like that. And I was getting so sick and so insane. And I remember going online and reading people being like, yeah, that's the Herx reaction.

Like that's just die off and then eventually you'll feel better. Just keep going. And I did keep going at one point and got worse and worse and worse and worse. And eventually it was like, well, how do you tell the difference between a Herx reaction or something that's making you feel bad? Yes. >> And then just I did anything that made me feel bad was just not good. That's how I got that. >> No, that's I mean, there's wisdom in that and then it's it it might have, [snorts] you know, um, a flaw in that model, right? At some point if there's something that creates an instability, you know, maybe it's really really good for you.

But it's really tricky. No, it's really tricky. >> Well, and I do understand like the ketotifen thing, the mast cell stabilizing theory is a good one. I like that quite a bit. I'm thinking part of the reason my body calmed down and why I can tolerate some other foods now, even though I think I'm still sticking with the meat diet. Um, I'm wondering if I just lived in a bubble for so long and like eliminated so many variables like my air is hyper hyper clean and then I only ate meat and then I wasn't on any medication and then I took a binder. I did it it just like I wasn't exposed to anything that could cause inflammatory reactions for years by just basically living in a bubble. I was like, did I maybe accidentally calm down some mast cells just by not exposing them to anything that was causing inflammatory reactions?

And then they just kind of recovered.

Mast Cells and Chronic Inflammation

Cuz mast mast cells train new mast cells. That's what I've read about anyway, that they keep the the reason ketotifen works is cuz you calm them down for long enough that the new ones trained aren't trained to have the same [clears throat] inflammatory response. >> Yes. So yeah, after, you know, we work on the viruses and and the pathogens, then at that final stage, and this is how it was for me as well, the final stage, which could be 6 months later, 4 to 6 months later, then I was chelating heavy metals. And then my my lucidity went to a whole other dimension um when I started getting rid of the heavy metals. And that's that's a big can of worms there. There's so many different things to take and so many thing different things to do. Um for me, my best friends are wheatgrass and cilantro.

Wheatgrass and cilantro and >> So cilantro, just the plant? Yeah, juice the fresh juice of cilantro is a superfood. It's phenomenal. Yeah. I do like cilantro. Yeah. Well, you got to be careful.

Why why does that work? Like a bind How does it work? >> It it basically signals to the cell to kick out the heavy metal. Um so a chelator is essentially a compound that tells the cell to kick out the the mercury, the aluminum, whatever it is, gadolinium, things that could be in people's uh cell. The cell is holding on to it because it it doesn't have enough minerals. So, when a cell doesn't have enough minerals, instead of taking a selenium like a healthy cell, it just grabs onto the mercury cuz there's mercury floating around in the blood. >> Uh Right? And then you have a cell that's holding on to a heavy metal, and it will be sick for the rest of its life. That's why you need chelation. >> That's why you need chelation.

Yikes. >> You have to actually go into the cell and kick out the heavy metals. Otherwise, you have sick cells. And this is a it's a deep process, you know, and a lot of people skip it or they don't believe in it, but it's it's so important on the on the holistic health journey. Well, silly people don't believe in that out of everything we've talked about because mercury poisoning is something everyone's heard of. Yeah, mad hatter and all of that. Yeah. Do you also tell people like so after they go through what you said, mast cells, parasites, liver, viral load.

Four things you do. >> Yeah. And chelation. Do you tell like do you tell everyone to do the chelation anyway? Hell yeah. Really? Is that bad for people say oh oh the more natural one. >> if it's just wheatgrass. Hey, drink wheatgrass four times a week for a year.

Watch how your life changes. Oh, that's it. >> Yeah. I mean, that's the most basic form. We have all kinds of crazy stuff we do with as you know, up the bum, right? >> [laughter] >> There's different EDTA suppositories and there's different um compounds, you know, there's we there's things called um Amaramide OSR, which is super powerful mercury chelator. Um there's spirulina in high doses, chlorella in high doses. There's silica in high doses, which is going to help with the aluminum. So, the wheatgrass is like the most basic, but everyone should drink wheatgrass, yeah, for sure. >> Okay.

I had a weird reaction to it. So, I did for part of the CIRS treatment is a nasal spray cuz you can get a swab and it tests to see if you have something called MARCoNS, which is Yes. basically yeah. >> Treatment resistant bacteria, yeah. >> In your nose. Um and so I had that, which is fairly common with CIRS, and started the EDTA spray, and it was so strange. It was EDTA and silver. And was there something else? I think it was just the EDTA and silver. >> MARCoNS one and two? Was it two blue bottles that you were taking? >> No.

Just just one, and it was mixed together. So, I think it was just EDTA and silver. Um so it's supposed to be like pretty soft, but what was interesting was all my mold toxicity symptoms came back when I started it. So, I hadn't been exposed to mold, but I started taking it. Um and the second day I thought I was having an allergic reaction to something cuz I was like, what is happening? And I had like one side of my body go weak, and I was like limping around. I had like neurological pain everywhere, and I was like, whoa, this is like when I got really sick in Miami, but it's just from I guess in theory breaking down biofilms. >> the biofilms in my nose and being re-exposed to that poison kind of. >> EDTA pulling out metals out of your brain.

Yeah, I knew. This is why I brought it up. I was like, he's going to Oh, for sure the EDTA is pulling metals out of your Okay, here's a metal question. I have a hip and ankle replacement. >> Okay. This is probably why I've given up on like metals, so that's titanium, but like Titanium is generally generally okay. I mean, it's better than mercury. >> It's Yeah, there one there's ones that I believe they have um some sort of nickel or chromium. There's some compound a nickel or cobalt or something that um that's very that can get very toxic.

The titanium ones from all I learned from Dr. Klinghardt and a couple other doctors are very very good like the best, you know. >> so cuz that's what everyone's getting put in them now, so. >> it's pretty benign and and, you know, uh they're not it's not going to leach. Mhm. You have to say that though, otherwise, I mean, there's no other solution. Well, yeah, I mean, right what you get them removed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I know.

No, but I but I'm I wouldn't I'm not just saying that. Okay. It is truly like when people are really scared of heavy metals, the general thing as a company wide and and from what I've learned from really amazing doctors is just like don't alter that. Don't change that. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so people do a gentle chelation or if you actually do testing and find something insane like your mercury story, then you're like go to the >> finish the testing. So, this testing there's there's hair tests, which has its flaws.

There's a urine test, which if you don't take a oral chelator, is completely flawed. Because heavy metals do not get stored in your uh they they they leave the blood. They go to tissues and organs. So, if you're peeing, you're just seeing recent exposure. Then you have a oral chelation challenge test to get accurate tests. That could be dangerous. Someone like you would take a 24-hour chelator, you would not you would feel terrible potentially or it could really fuck you up.

I mean, so it's not it's not a good test for a lot of people. Um and then there's something called an OligoScan, which uses light like a light device to measure in your hand. Um but every single device and test has flaws. You know, but you can get a general understanding. There's also like Quicksilver has a mercury tri-test and all this stuff. >> Yeah, I think I've heard of that one. >> general general understanding, but my vision is everyone is has metals. Everyone. You know. >> Yeah, okay. >> That's what I believe. >> probably get behind that.

And it's not just convenient for my business model. >> no, but >> [laughter] >> but just like part of the protocol is just treating that even if it's a gentle version because you just assume everyone's exposed. Exactly. Yeah, okay. That makes sense. So, then is that it? >> No, no, well, there's spiritual emotional component. >> Yeah, okay. For sure, spiritual emotional and trauma, stress, tension, and all different kinds of things that um you know, can be messing the the vehicle up, you know, because I mean, that's a huge subject, you know, but I don't know how >> that's a huge that's a huge subjects on it on its own. If you had to like blame one thing, I mean, I guess for you it was mercury that really put you over the edge.

Mhm. But like for the average client, I guess you see, is there a pattern you see with all them? And like I've gone down the trauma route a bunch, but I also assume everybody has stress. Mhm. So, you can't just be like, well, that's the problem because we have new chronic illnesses that weren't around at least in the numbers we see them Yeah. 40 or 50 or 60 years ago or 100 years ago, and people were definitely not less stressed then you would think, you know, cuz they'd have to deal with like siblings dying and like actual death and wars and stuff. I have a theory about this. So, there's a gentleman named Samuel Sagan, Dr.

Samuel Sagan. He's passed on now. He's the founder of the Clear Vision School. And he described this something called astrality, okay? And so, the opposite of astrality is like the the etheric. And to explain it briefly, you have the etheric, which is the the human body, the immediate surroundings, the trees, the nature, the ocean, um just your immediate surroundings. We used to navigate the world through uh a compass or sailors would look at the sky and the clouds, and they would understand what's going on cuz they had a direct relationship to their etheric environment, their their chi, their their immediate surroundings.

Does that make sense so far? Yes. Like physical surroundings? >> Physical surroundings and the relationship to it, right? So, like for instance, I can't get anywhere without a GPS. That's that's not how it times used to be. There used to be a very People would wake up, they'd milk the cows, they'd have an a etheric experience with their environment. >> Now, everything is astral, digital. We're getting being slapped with this digital energy, and it's frying the nervous system.

This is this is I've seen this in my own life.

Emotional Stress and Illness

And so, when we talk about stress, trauma, tension, all that, really what I see is that people are fried with digital energy. Their nervous system is responding as if it's right in their face like they're being slapped by it. The nervous system responds in a certain way, and it threatens the the the system, and it creates a level of fight or flight, and everything is astral. People are overwhelmed >> Yeah. with phones, with everything. And I think it's the the I don't think the body has caught up to it. Yeah. I I hate that.

I like I I don't like hearing that at all, but I I think you're right. I've noticed and I was wondering if I I'd been doing too much work on my phone or I'd got too much bad news, especially from my dad being sick, so every time I looked at my phone, I'd be like, uh um but I know that when I turn my phone on airplane mode, and it's not just because oh, there's no signal or something going there, it's I get this like relief. It's like airplane mode and I'm like, "Oh." Yes. >> like no one can contact me. Everything's okay. And then when I turn it on in the morning, it's just like, "Oh, no. It's back."

It's like, "Do I need to get rid of my phone? Like, what do I do?" But yeah, we're just not not built for I mean, I get it. Not built for it. >> evolved to to just handle it. Especially someone >> at all, really. So, yeah, no wonder we can't handle it. But then what So, then what what are people supposed to do because it's just going to get worse? 100% it's getting worse.

And Samuel would say like astrality is the number one of the main causes of all disease, right? Or one of the most common causes of all disease. It's something he used to say in some of his books. But the the solution is not to get rid of the astrality, but to develop a more conscious relationship to that interface. So, that interface of like if you've ever had an etheric experience, it's when you feel just comfortable in your skin, calm, clear-headed, there's love, there's like a quietness in the heart. And this is what, you know, people will go on like meditation retreats to feel this. But that feeling, in my opinion, has to be the North Star.

And then from that place, you operate in the astrality, but you you're you're not swimming mindlessly in it. You're It's like say They say to be in the world, but not of the world. So, it's like you navigate in there and you but you you're touching it, you're dancing with it cuz life's really boring when you don't do that. Right? And we both have online businesses and followers and all this. So, like, hell yeah, let's keep going. But then taking a moment every single day or at least an hour every single day to come back to the etheric because the astrality can feel like a disease.

I have noticed if I do like five Zoom calls, I will feel like I have a disease. Like, I will feel heavy, headache, achy joints. And I'm like, "Oh my god, is this the mold? Is this the light?" No. I come back to my etheric. I go for a walk.

I I meditate. I I breathe. I clear all that astrality out and I'm I'm 100% back to myself. So, I'm smiling at the words cuz I still think the words are funny, but I'm completely following. >> They're not good words. Let's change the words. We can say We can say like outer dig- outer success in the digital world and then like inner well-being. Okay, okay. >> [laughter] >> I like that.

Um I I know like a number of high performers that have gotten weirdly sick. And I, you know, at some point you're like, "Well, is it burnout?" And then like, "What exactly is burnout? And what's the solution?" And I was just having a conversation. I was like, "Well, if you're not going to the bed at the right hour, at the same time every night, and if you're not getting up and going outside and seeing sun, and if you're on stimulants or something, that's probably enough. Oh, and if you're eating poorly.

Those four things and not exercising. Okay, those five things. If you're doing those things, let's say even regardless of the stimulants, obviously you're going to feel diseased. Like, even just not sleeping. And I think it's okay maybe when you're a teenager or in your early 20s, but as soon as you get to like late 20s or up, if you're not sleeping and you're not exercising and you're not going outside, like make sure you're doing all those things before you're like, "I'm diseased." 100%. And I mean, I'm completely guilty of that cuz I'll get overwhelmed with work or like life or family problems or whatever and be like, "Oh, I haven't been outside in a couple days." Like, I probably don't feel good.

I know that's the other thing. >> boring, you know? I know. I need a dopamine detox like for sure. It's a total illusion, though. It's a trap. Yeah. I know the trap very well.

So, you just you just have to distance yourself from it and be more disciplined. Don't fall into the dopamine scroll cycle. I just like to realize that no matter what changes in my outside success, the only thing that matters like when my head hits the pillow at night, it's like it's me, my wife, my kid, and like my body, like my me and my body and my mind. Like, all that outside circling swimming shit of like success and money and this and that. It's like, "Okay, I'm really glad that I'm winning, but I cannot identify with that. I can't be attached to that as my identity." Like, my identity has to be more grounded.

You know, and that that helps me clear the the astrality. It's like coming back to ground. That makes sense. >> Yeah. But I wanted to say one thing about stimulants cuz so many high performers are doing Adderall or modafinil or coffee. And I have observed that that is borrowing tomorrow's energy for today. >> I just had this conversation. I was like, "If you're on Like, I know a bunch of people on Adderall and some other stimulants at the same time." I'm like, "If you don't feel good and you're taking those three things, where is that energy coming from?

You're doing that every day? Like, "Oh, I'm full of energy now." You're not You can't make energy out of nothing. Something is like wasting away to give you that. Or you're burning out your dopamine or but I don't think it's probably that simple. There's probably physical things that are being damaged when you're like when you really need to sleep for a little bit or like take some time and breathe, you know? You're pulling from the res- the the the reserve tank.

You pull from the organs, pulling that energy, making fabricating that energy today, and then tomorrow you're screwed. And then people just keep doing it, keep doing it. They might make a lot of money. They destroy their health. Right? This this is the era right now where people are going for fame and money and sacrificing their health for for those two. And doesn't have to be that way.

Okay? That was amazing. That story is crazy. Um I can see why you get some skepticism online, but and I would never I wouldn't have even had this conversation, I think, four years ago. Then when I got hit with mold, I was like, "I didn't know the air could be poisoned." So, that changed some things. And then and then the parasite and I was like, "Oh, man, this is something I would have been so skeptical about."

Then when you think about it, you're like, "No, what's more likely? All the third world countries have them, but they're the dirty people Yeah. and we're just cleaner than them, or we don't know how to test properly cuz our medical system is broken." Right. Like, which one's actually more likely? So, actually last question. >> Yeah. Um So, do you do parasite cleanses like yearly or something like they do in other countries? I do a castor oil flush once a month.

Okay. >> Um which for me basically takes care of all of the parasites. I I don't have any replication. I can feel when they're replicating. My my diet will my cravings will change. Um and I will start craving sugar. So, if I travel and [clears throat] I travel for about two, three weeks and I don't do a castor oil flush and I eat a lot of restaurant food, I will start waking up feeling like so hungry when I wake up and feeling like I'm craving sugar. And that's how I know that the bugs are replicating.

And so, that's when I'll do a castor oil flush, boom, it's gone. Completely gone. >> that orally? That's orally. That's a controversial treatment. So, that's just something I do. There's other things you can do, but I do believe that parasite cleanses should be done a minimum of two times per year.

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Okay. >> Even if it's just for like 14 days, you know? Um but but yeah, I do believe they should be do be done twice a year. And a lot of Chinese medicine doctors and other you know, ancient traditions will will say the same thing. Well, I think it's I don't know if it's twice a year or yearly in in most third world countries, but it's at least annually there. >> yeah. In India and in Mexico, they use ivermectin, all kinds of different stuff in in Mexico. Um there's a lot of countries that you that have a direct protocol, you know, for their kids and stuff like that. Yeah, that makes sense.

I just can't believe our testing is so poor here. Like, that was shocking to me because the most obvious like when I stopped being able to eat anything, the most obvious explanation for me that I went to very quickly was maybe I have parasites cuz that just seems like if I'm eating carrots and it's making me very sick, maybe there's something like in my gut that's making me sick. >> Mhm. And then I went to a whole bunch of I like the And then I went to naturopaths to do like more in-depth testing and things, but nothing caught anything till they sent a sample to Africa to do the kind of testing we did in like the 70s and 80s that we don't do anymore Just look at the eggs. They could just see the eggs in your stool. >> Yeah, it was like, "What?" Yeah. That's so disappointing. Yeah, it is. [clears throat] >> eight years of only eating meat.

It's like, "Yeah, we just aren't testing properly. Sorry." Anyway, where can people find you online? Uh so, Instagram @joshuamason and then YouTube @joshuamason. Um and uh the detox dudes is the name of my company. Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, The Detox Dudes. Uh I'll share you I'll share the links.

Maybe you can put them in >> I'll link them in the description and um below on YouTube. That was interesting. That was very interesting. Anyway, good job for you figuring all that out cuz definitely isn't intuitive. Exactly. Well, no, it's only intuitive. For me, it's been >> For me, it's been a massive intuitive process. >> It's kind of logical as well once you get past the skepticism.

But >> Right, right. But yeah. Yeah. Cool. Well, thank you for coming on again. Thank you for having me.

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