#54 Mark Manson and Jordan B. Peterson

Welcome to the Mikhaila Peterson Podcast – this is an episode co-hosted by @Jordan B Peterson​. In this episode, we spoke with @Mark Manson​, a best-selling author of The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck, and more recently, Everything Is F*cked: A Book about Hope, which has sold over thirteen million copies worldwide. He’s also a very popular blogger.

We discussed how to properly set goals, the destabilizing effects of social media, the value of committed relationships, and responsibility. Mark and Jordan compared experiences as authors who fit into the self-help category and their search for meaning as men inside and outside of religion.

Find more Mark Manson on Twitter @IAmMarkManson, on Instagram @markmanson, his website, and in his books.

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Show Notes:
[3:30​] Mark’s “don’t aim too high” philosophy; is it about setting reasonable expectations?
[9:00​] The balance of self-interest and the interest of others
[11:30​] The destabilizing effect of social media and internet platforms
[15:30​] Value structures, emotion, and what constitutes a valid value?
[21:30​] Who is the average person to Mark? What are you supposed to give a fuck about?
[25:30​] Jordan probes Mark on millennial social function and covers the five values Mark wrote about in his books.
[33:30​] The problem of the conscience when we impose our own self-created values, traditional Christianity, and the framework of religion
[41:00​] Mark comments on the freedom of commitment and how it has impacted his life.
[49:30​] Mark’s revelation of commitment, Jordan elaborates on the advantages and fulfillment of a monogamous relationship.
[51:00​] Comparing the public interactions of self-help authors
[55:30​] How do you find hope?
[1:06:00​] The beautiful sacrifice parents make for their children and why it’s such a necessary part of society.
[1:18:30​] The task of convincing men to grow up and become their better selves.
[1:21:30​] The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck
[1:36:00​] Where to find more Mark Manson online

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Mikhaila Peterson (@mikhailapeterson Instagram) is a 28 year old mother, CEO, health influencer, writer and founder of the Lion Diet, from Toronto, Canada. She has put her idiopathic juvenile arthritis, severe depression (bipolar type II), and chronic fatigue (among other ailments) into remission using The Lion Diet - a beef, salt and water elimination diet. Although it may seem unorthodox, she’s thrived on it for over 2 years. Also recognized for her work with her father, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson (Canadian psychologist and author), she encourages others to take responsibility for every part of their physical and mental health, and teaches how to dramatically transform one's life by never giving up on yourself.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast is a podcast where host Mikhaila Peterson speaks with thought leaders, and industry changers - continually finding the best ways to improve the human experience. From stay at home mom’s to CEO’s, fitness enthusiasts to spiritual guides, nutrition researchers to health professionals - Mikhaila has interview-style conversations aimed at provoking thought, addressing difficult subjects, and speaking about topics that are generally shied away from.