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Episode 26: Jocko Willink

“Do you have any suggestions for becoming more disciplined?” – “Yes, but nobody likes them.”

Jocko (retired Navy SEAL, author, podcaster, entrepreneur) and I to discuss friends that stick with you through tough times, balancing work and life with equal intensity, stress management, and how to take ownership of the worst possible life circumstances.

Find Jocko at his website, and on Instagram @jockowillink

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Show Notes:

  • [6:00] Why Jocko has been self-publishing some of his books.
  • [9:30] the infamous Jocko sleep schedule and interesting power nap strategies
  • [10:30] Balancing hyper-industriousness and being disciplined in the pursuit of happiness
  • [13:00] How to know if your friends will stick around when the going gets tough
  • [15:30] Jocko’s love for Jiu-Jitsu
  • [16:00] the Jocko diet
  • [18:00] Teenage Jocko and growing up into his dream job
  • [18:30] What does “Get Some” mean?
  • [20:00] Emulating traits that you see and respect in others
  • [22:30] “Have you ever experimented with hallucinogens?”
  • [24:00] Suggestions for increasing internal discipline
  • [25:30] Lessons in becoming more brave and listening to each other
  • [26:00] Effective strategies for communicating with people
  • [33:00] Keeping your cool in stressful situations and operating with a broader perspective
  • [36:30] “Your voice is a very good indicator of your stress levels”
  • [37:00] SEALs in the news, SEALs in the media, where is the limit?
  • [39:00] How much did the military change Jocko?
  • [42:00] It’s good to know the propensity for human beings to perpetrate evil
  • [43:00] Preparing for the worst case scenario and becoming complacent in safety
  • [47:00] The difference between people who have been given terrible circumstances but keep their attitude positive vs. people who are given everything and aren’t happy.
  • [47:00] The story of Chesty Puller
  • [55:00] Nicole Arbour’s ability to turn her circumstances into comedy
  • [58:00] Jocko’s first book, Extreme Ownership, and public pushback on taking ownership of the most unthinkable situations. When you can’t take ownership of circumstances, you can still take ownership of how you respond
  • [1:00:00] Jocko met Jordan Peterson before 12 Rules for Life came out and they found mutual respect while speaking at the same event
  • [1:02:00] Hiring, firing, and estimating an employee’s efficacy
  • [1:04:30] The escalation of counseling