Senator Ron Johnson on Corruption, Elon’s DOGE, RFK Jr. and Trump Presidency

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the type of corruption that I I really hope you know Bobby exposes is the type where they're doing the bidding of the large companies as opposed to protecting America's Health whether it's with big farmer whether it's big egg whether it's big food processing I come from the private sector I have no problem with big businesses I've got a problem when you have a large business using their power to corrupt the process to capture the Regulatory Agencies know you've got a revolving door of personnel I mean you you pay a government employee a royalty on some patentable drug are they going to really do a very good job of determining is that really safe what gives me hope is I think most Americans agree on on the big issue we're horribly divided nation but there's no reason for us to be divided what I hope Bobby Canada can do is expose all this so that more people have their eyes opened these people that Trump has put forward to run different sectors of the government How likely is it that somebody like RFK Jr is actually going to be running [Music] these Senator Ron Johnson welcome to my podcast thanks stre me I'm Michaela yeah this should be fun uh I guess first off I should thank you for uh letting me speak at the round table um a few months ago that was a huge opportunity I really appreciate it and I'm I'm glad you've been hosting these round taes kind of talking about well things that are often shied away from so I really appreciate the opportunity well I really appreciate you presenting I I I did not know your story it's an amazing story you know you're looking good I'm hope you're feeling good um I am I'm I'm feeling fine um when did you start doing those round taes I know you did one on covid a number of years ago when it was really not the time to be talking about it well I was chairman of this of the committee on homeland security and governmental Affairs you know had nothing really to do with health but when the pandemic strike struck uh I started holding hearings while I was still chairman in February you know found out that we don't make precursor chemicals we don't do uh active Farm pudic ingredients which is a real you know vulnerability we have as a nation then in May I I brought in Johnny andus who had done the the analysis of the princess Cruz data just to calm everybody down and this is you kind of the start of the pandemic this is not ebol it's not SARS it's not mirrors it it might be you know twice as bad as a bad flu season so don't freak out if you're elderly if you have certain corob bidities you know take precautions for the rest of us we we'll probably get over it uh then in uh November and December of 2020 before the vaccine had any emergency use authorization I had Peter mullik Harvey r a bunch of other people come in talk about hydroxy chlorin the following month I had Pierre Cory come in talk about H hyrc and he was he was definitely confident he he had the data he had his manuscript provide that to NIH and the pandemic's over uh little did he know the vested interests that wanted a vaccine and were going to crush and sabotage any early treatment so that was his chairman and then you know we lost a majority I timed out as chairman so all I could really do is hold public events so the first public event I held was in June of 2021 uh because nobody was advocating for the vaccine injury so Ken Ruckers who is a football star with Green Bay Packers his wife is vaccine not a Wisconsin resident but he' heard of my work so he contacted me and I said well if you're if you're willing to put yourself out there I'm happy to use my platform and develop a forum where people like you know Brie dren MD Deary his wife Cheryl a couple other individuals who were vaccine injured could tell their story now I was hoping again this is June of 2020 this is when everybody is safe and effective right um well well it wasn't I was hoping that all the TV cameras there there would be a report or two that would have some measure of sympathy for those individuals but they didn't the the first question out of their mouths was you know Ken Ruckers are you just you going to use this for to sue people going to try and make money off of this it was gr but but I followed that up with another uh Hearing in Washington DC with not only vaccine injury but also medical experts and and medical researchers talk about that uh and then the probably more the more famous uh public event was in January of 2022 covid-19 a second opinion and that's where I assembled a lot of these individuals and you we just lay down the line followed that up in December of 2022 we talked specifically more about the vaccine know I'm sorry the genetic injection it's not a vaccine exactly how it works you know how it could potentially cause the the injuries that we were seeing and you know so that was kind of the model the template I've done some other ones but uh uh it was just my my pleasure to uh you know host you know RFK Jr you and your dad uh Casey and Cali means uh and by the way that was all prompted by I saw the interview with Tucker Carlson with Casey and c means and I said this is this is something that we need to provide a platform and highlight it so I I I couldn't have been more pleased with the the presentations by people like you uh the attention it is garnered uh again yeah give all the credit to Casey and CI means and and RF Kennedy Jr for you know really highlighting this issue and and particularly Bobby Kennedy for having the the courage to suspend his presidential campaign um join force with President Trump you know lay their differences aside focus on area of agreement because not only do we have hopes of addressing chronic illness but it it truly is a demonstration of how you can heal and unify a very divided nation I I completely agree um was there something that kind of LED you down the path of skepticism that um I guess you saw in the government when you were working because you were one of the first people to have some skepticism towards the vaccine or just the response towards covid and then recently with this health epidemic you know not everybody's talking about it so is there something that made you skeptical initially I think I'm just a skeptic in general my back I'm an accountant you know ran a manufacturing plant that produced plastic packing materials for medical devices so I understood the industry you I came here because we were merging our kids' future I I didn't come here to investigate but I became chairman of the the Senate oversight committee basically and so I started doing investigations so I saw corruption within the FBI within the Department of Justice within our intelligence agency so I already saw corruption within federal government agencies uh to the detriment of the American public uh and then when Co happened I mean none our response to co none of it made sense to me uh you know Peter mccullock had the the the four pillars of pandemic response you know try and limit the spread early treatment hospital treatment and vaccines and you know we we certainly tried to stop the spread by destroying our economy destroying small businesses if that didn't make sense uh but we completely sabotaged early treatment hospital treatment I mean let's face it they developed protocols that killed people you put some you slap some in a ventilator you know 89% chance they weren't ever going to get off so everything was directed toward a vaccine very early on I was talking to the the CEO of one of the manufacturers of of hydroxy chloroquin through April he's really excited about this you know he he provided like 30,000 doses to the National stockpile and they were going to do all kinds of studies were going to come out toward the end of May but all of a sudden tail end of a April early May the communication just went dead silent it's like everybody in the industry just agreed we're we're going to focus on the vaccine nothing else and then fortunately for me I got connected with Michael yeden who for 30 years was a employee of fiser company is special tox toxicity he was in the end of his career the senior vice president in terms of research for fizer he could not believe what his colleagues were developing he was beside himself he said you know Ron there's a whole list of ingredients that that we do not put into injectables because they're toxic to the body when I found out that they were going to produce a injectable that caused the body the body cells to produce something that was toxic to it he literally could not believe that tell he you know researched it further and found out no it's exactly what they're going to do so he came out and became very public of it and again fortunately I he educated me there was no way I was ever going to get that injection and I started trying to warn people very early on again I'm not a doctor not a medical researcher but I just used what information was available publicly the veers report I'm the first one that probably got censored with my veers chart showing this explosion in deaths associated with the covid-19 vaccine now I presented that I think end of April to Francis Collins we had a meeting with a bunch of Republican Senators said you know Dr Collins I mean they're all pading themselves in the back because they finally got tests okay I'm talking to Francis C are you watching veers I think at the time there were a few thousand deaths 46% of those deaths were occurring on the day of vaccination within two days wow so when I confront him with that he said well Senator you know we we've Associated six deaths with the child you know was a child age bearing women um that associated with J&J caused by clotting but those six deaths otherwise he said you know Senator people die that's what a Cavalier attitude he had toward that so that you know re really raised my antenna in terms of you know the corruption in terms of the CDC the FDA the NIH in terms of just ignoring uh the safety signals that were screaming at them and they continued to ignore it they continue to cover it up so no I'm uh I've seen the corrupt sense we should have always been pushing early treatment we should have been exploring and by way he lied to me at the end of December of 2020 when I I pressed him from those hearings what is what is the ni doing in terms of exploring early treatment oh sander we're spending hundreds of millions of dollars on exploring every molecule on the Shelf so okay show me show me where you spending the money show me what you've studied uh never got that information so again these guys have been lying to me since uh really day one since the the covid uh pandemic occurred and they haven't stopped lying and they certainly haven't been transparent to American public so no I I don't I would't trust him further than I could throw him wow okay okay I think something that would be helpful to people like um especially people who are more on the like liberal or Democratic side is when when um RFK Jr is talking about corruption you know what is he referring to so when you referred to corruption you saw in the FBI and CDC Etc what exactly are you seeing what does that mean so it takes different forms in the FBI Department of Justice intelligence communities you've got you've got people that you know are generally left leaning and they're deep State actors I mean they look at a Republican president and they definitely say this two Shall Pass they probably have the same attitude toward any president but again they're more than likely to do the bidding of somebody you know left of center president versus Donald Trump they completely sabotage his administration that's that type of corruption the type of corruption that I I really hope you know Bobby exposes is the type where you have the corporate interest I come from the private sector I have no problem with big businesses I've got a problem when you have a large business using their power to corrupt the process to capture the Regulatory Agencies and again I'm I'm not for big regulation either but we need some okay we actually need a a government body that ensures safety of food and health but that agency has to be of high integrity and not corruptible not captured so what we've seen is these large businesses that are regulated by these agencies uh they're not stupid they got all kinds of Power they figure out how to capture those agencies you know you've got a revolving door person you remember the the kind of famous video with James O'Keefe where he's interviewing a guy from fiser they just talking about the revolving door uh you take a look at all the FDA heads that are now either you know on the boards of directors of madna or of fiser or whatever yeah it's revolving door so it's it's corrupted the process you see the royalties being paid to government employees I mean you you pay a government employee a royalty on some patentable drug are they going to really do a a very good job of determining is that really safe and we've seen it time and time and time again of these drugs just you know some of them just flying through the approval process like the the covid injection um yeah without the science backing it up billions being made so again it's really it's that corporate capture of the agencies the revolving door and so they're doing the bidding of the large companies as opposed to protecting America's health whether it's with big farmer whether it's big egg whether it's big um food processing the military-industrial complex remember wi Eisen hor warned us about this in his is in his farewell address the military industrial comp we also said you know be careful of federal government funding of research it will corrupt research it has you know 70% of scientific studies there was a survey done in nature magazine in 2016 70% the studies the data can't be replicated that's you had the head of the new New England Journal of Medicine resign in 2000 she she later started writing about why she resigned I'm going to read the quote from this is marshia Angel this was in 2009 she said similar conflicts of interest and biases exist in virtually every field of medicine particularly those that rely heavily on drugs or devices it is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published or to rely on the in Judgment of trusted Physicians or authoritative medical guidelines she said I take no pleasure in this conclusion which I re slow which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as editor of the New England Journal of Medicine now again she resigned in 2000 so we've known about this now for decades and you understand how powerful these interests are okay the big corporations big government they've suppressed all that truth and what I hope Bobby Kennedy do can do is expose all this so that more people have their eyes opened as certainly I did and as a million other Americans have have had our eyes open during Co we we saw we saw what a miserably failed response that was and they're still not admitting it they're going to do it again with now bird flu or some some other you know pandemic X they got I mean they're so bald as they're just coming up with a name you know yeah something's going to happen and we're going to have to take control that's you know the whole the all the all the amendments to the who treaty and stuff um so we need more Americans we need more people globally with their eyes open in terms of what is happening to us why did I decide to build an online university well there is a crisis now in higher education the president of Harvard University resigned today week calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's code of conduct we have a problem of affordability and cost spiring student loans we have a group think emerging and that warps the entire academic Enterprise I experimented with putting my lectures online and found that I could teach far more people at very low cost than I could at the University and I thought well why not scale that what I'm hoping to do is to find the best lectures in the world and to bring them to as wide as possible and a a he came to me and he basically said I want you to do the best course that you've always wanted to do we want to bring you the highest quality education possible at the lowest possible price it's extremely high level content that anybody can use to educate themselves and it's available to everybody well that would be [Music] good I think it's funny CU I got canell at the University so I could try to return the favor I was shocked so I've always from my experience being chronically ill and managing to put it into remission with diet which was mindblowing to begin with uh I got skeptical about anything I knew beforehand because I was like I had total faith in the medical system and then I fixed it by removing Foods something like incurable by removing foods and so I lo I lost faith in a lot of Institutions um do you think the solution to the corruption is as simple as not allowing like you said the revolving door I I can't even believe that's allowed I thought that they would have put some sort of rules in place so that you couldn't work at all these institutions that seems to be just the logical thing to do that and then the government payouts from these large corporations that needs to stop are are those the two Simple Solutions to the corruption problem at least that Bobby Kennedy is looking into the overall solution is the truth yeah uncovering it and uh you know exposing it but I there's three fundamental problems right now uh maybe four in terms of what you're talking about the royalties but but first is again the corruption of science you we need an a high integrity Arbiter of the truth within science now there's whole reason why science is corrupted yeah Federal Government funding other people funding I mean if you're funding research you're going to get the result you want okay so those who fund it get the result they want that's not science um when when it comes to vaccines I mean the fact that you have no liability and listen I'm a private sector guy I avoided loyal lawyers in the judicial process like a plague okay lawyers aren't my favorite uh profession but they play a key role in terms of adversarial process to keep people honest okay um and and the other fundamental problem is is pharmaceutical advertising I mean if you look at those ads I mean I have no idea what those drugs are for but if you listen to all the side effects which by the way they only have to publish a a portion of them if they had to list the entire list of Adverse Events that they know about with these drugs it' probably take two minutes of the commercial so the only reason they're spending billions on media and social media pharmaceutical companies is to capture the narrative and they captured it during covid they were able to capture to such such exent extent that they were able to censor people like Bobby Kennedy or my veer's chart uh they they turn the truth into misinformation and malformation okay so that that's got to be a real problem then you know the other issue you're you're talking about the revolving door the royalties being paid I mean that's that's just a obvious area where where corruption is going to occur so again there's some just fundamental issues that need to be addressed that way which would go a long way toward uh you know helping fix the problem because we need these a we need somebody to assure Food and Drug safety you know and by the way we need drug companies I'm not the only guy that wants a life saving new cure but when you see drug companies using their power to get a drug a new drug patentable drug approved that doesn't work as well as the current drug that's generic or other molecules I mean that's why they sabotage early treatment things like icin hydroxy chloroquin there's no money in it but those things were pennies a tablet versus REM dese which knocks out your kidneys okay or or the vaccine you know tens hundreds of billions of dollars spent on on that injection yeah wild okay so um I'm and my my dad's Canadian I live in the US thank goodness um but I'm not as familiar with us Politics as it should be um these people that Trump has put forward to run different sectors of the government he's suggesting them they have to be signed off by the Senate correct correct yeah we have a confirmation process here so he nominates and then they go through Senate hearings and then we vote the nom up or down and so How likely is it that somebody like RFK Jr is actually going to be running these or that doge is going to exist things like that well doge is g to exist outside the government so nothing El there yeah there I mean and I think it's interesting Elon Musk and he'll find people he wants people really high IQ willing to work 80 hours a week he'll probably make work longer based on the book I read about him he wants he wants him to work for free so because he's Elon Musk he'll probably find people that's outside of government you know I've started contacting uh and talking to my Senate colleagues U about you know Bobby's confirmation I think most have a very open mind I think they've got questions based on the lies being told about Bobby yeah I think many hopefully most enough will have the same reaction that I've had to Bobby Cy once I met him found first of all he's a really good person and he's really smart and what he's telling us is the truth I mean he's the one that got you know really proved that fouchi was lying to us when he said oh we got all kinds of studies showing that you know the childhood vaccines have been tested against the trle SEO no we not one so if fouchi is Will to lie to us about that the biodistribution of the injection throughout the body fizer knew that that they had a dist a biodistribution study that Japanese regulars uncovered with the lipid nanoparticle by the way the lipid Nano particle is designed trying to permeate difficult to permeate barriers like the blood brain barrier like the obviously they knew and but they oh it's going to stay right in the arm you it's going to you know do its work and then dissolve well it's not real mRNA it's modified it's modified to not dissolve and so now we know it circulates through the body the only studies so far you length of time is at least two months and possibly more and again that circulating through the body concentrating things like the ovaries you know other organs turning those organs into little manufacturing site for something that's toxic to the body so when you're doing that and you express a spike protein you know whether it's the heart whe then the body attacks that that's called inflammation that's called myocarditis if it's into your nerve cells that those all the neurological symptoms we're seeing we see DNA contamination uh could be causing some of these turbo cancers again I'm not a doctor not a medical expert but you know the mechanism seems pretty straightforward in terms of exercising caution and really watching your safety surveillance systems which they didn't do they covered them up they're still covering them up ridiculous ridiculous I I think a general rule for for any new drug particularly something that's injected but anything you're putting in your body is like watch right if it just comes out immediately they can't possibly have done long-term studies there hasn't been enough time period like it was at least be that careful right so so you know there's so there's a different side of the coin here okay part of the problem you have in drug manufacturing it takes like a dozen 10 you know 13 years to approve a drug and cost a billion dollars okay so that's a lot of money to develop a drug uh that's why I championed right TR try so let individuals know but that's why you need an an honest broker you need a agency that has high integrity okay do some initial sty safety studies know don't necessar have to prove efficacy before something that looks pretty promising uh could be made available on a right Tri basis let let people make the decision but boy you have to monitor that I mean anybody taking something on right to try has got to be filling out and their doctors have to be filling out you know reports to to the FDA so the track track your disease you know track any kind of reaction you might have to that drug again in the information age this shouldn't be that hard yeah and by the way it wasn't you you had the V sift system you know pretty darn good idea quite honestly if it would have been designed properly and if they wouldn't have buried the results but the V system was a voluntary uh app that 10 million Americans signed up for and it reported any kind of Adverse Events now it was very limited they talked about you know any kind of medical intervention if you had to seek medical care for an adverse event or if you you know couldn't carry on the daily life you had to miss work had to make miss school you okay and so 25% of the people that signed up for vake missed work mean they had an adverse event that was strong enough that something happened in their life I mean they miss school they miss work they couldn't carry on their Norm daily life almost 8% I think it was 7.8% sought Medical Care and Aaron Siri had to sue for the results of that vfe again they set this up I mean you had Vees which was screaming at them you set up V safe specifically for the the co injection and then they buried the results Aaron Siri had to sue them to reveal to the public what the V system was screaming at them again 25% of people that took the shot of 10 25% of 10 million people two and a half million people basically had a a severe enough adverse event that they miss school or work and 8% almost 8% had to seek medical care and our government buried that our government also buried by the way I just have my most recent letter to the the agencies they buried the fact that they knew about myocarditis in youth very early in 2021 and rather than publish that information a warned the public they produced a 17 Page document of talking points to talk around it uh again I think eron and Siri got that from Foya but those 17 pages are completely redacted so I just sent an oversight letter demanding to see those pages because now we exists unredacted because Congress is not subject to those redactions but at the same time we've been battling for I think over three years trying to get fouche's emails the final I think 50 pages of uh Fouch emails unredacted I've been trying to get that for 30 for three years that's wild okay so then what can you describe exactly what it is you do you said the Senate oversight committee you had that yeah so I correct was chairman for six years of the it's the committee on homeland security and governmental Affairs so the governmental Affairs PRI prior to 911 was strictly the Senate over I timed out of that chairmanship now I'm ranking member of the permanent subcommittee on investigations it's literally the most powerful investigatory body of US Senate I have stronger subpoena power as chairman of this committee than I had as chairman of the full committee okay so that that again I'm also on finance committee I'm also on budget committee so as us senor you're involved in all kinds of different committees but as it relates to this uh I've got I've got some real ability now to investigate and demand answers andand demand documents now the question is are they going to be honest with you and actually turn over the documents you never again I'm not in the agencies I I I have suggested that President Trump is going to need to appoint like a Secretary of Information extraction that's ridiculous somebody to get the D state to uh you know be honest and provide these documents you know president Trump switching subjects here president Trump has said he's going to release the JFK assassination document does anybody really think the CIA or whoever the powers would be the Intel commun is actually going to give them all up I have my doubts I I don't government by the way our our Founders didn't trust government but that's why they put in place systems of checks and balances so that you know we would be kind of fighting between the branches so that no Branch would get so powerful as would impact our freedom well those those constitutional constraints went out the window many many decades ago and now as Government grows our freedoms are definitely being trampled on as as you know well know not only in America but look what happened in Canada yeah the freedom Convoy you know those Brave truckers I mean what what pi Trudeau did there what was happening in Australia I mean this is a global phenomenon yeah it's it's an insane time hopefully things are trending in the right direction did the results from the last election fill you with hope do you think he's actually going to be able to do what he says he's going to do I know he wants to right well again what gives me hope is is literally the the Coalition that he and Bobby Kennedy help assemble um and and what that demonstrates but I mean you take a look at whether it's Bobby Kennedy telsey Gabbert Elon Musk who I don't think is particularly politically active probably more of the left in general um that's that's what we need in this country we need people who love this country understand how rare and Precious Precious it truly is and how it's it's our duty to make sure we save and preserve it for future Generations that wasn't going that wasn't happening our our country was going down the tubes you know under radical leftist government which is what the Obama and the the bid Administration was so this is you know ship estate is is Big it's unwieldy it's it's difficult to turn around we what we've done is we've we've changed directions we're charting new course but we need to stay in that direction we can't be ping ponging back and forth between radical leftism and what I considered just a common sense approach to respecting people's freedoms understanding the what the federal government is really designed to do it's not here to solve all our problems it's here to guarantee our freedom now there are other you know Commerce you have set the rules for the road again I think it's a very legitimate activity of government to establish some high integrity Arbiters of science you know of drug safety food safety mean that that's a valuable role but we don't need these agencies that are just massive CH you know cranking out all these regulations that are crushing Freedom we need honest Brokers yeah agreed so you mentioned that um Doge wasn't going to be a government institution I didn't know that I thought that he was building something new that was within the government doge is supposed to be an external organization that just right how is it going to have any control over anything well it's the uh you know the arena of ideas right if if it comes up with good ideas and by the way we can't do anything here in Washington you can jam some stuff through but it's not going to last if he doesn't have the backing of the public so you mentioned about my events I mean my events have always been designed I've never proposed a piece of legislation after my events my events have all been about exposing the truth educating the public opening up people's eyes yeah and that's what it's going to take you know the beauty of what we found during Co is once somebody's eyes have been opened to what is happening to the capture to the corruption uh to the harm being caused by big government to individuals they're not going to close their eyes they just won't so I I think I haven't really talked in in detail to Bobby because has been s darn busy but I I would love to really sit down and talk to him about priz at how welcome he was to our side of the aisle in in that event he said I used to be a super villain to him again he listen to the news like most Americans do and you know guys like me are are caricatured you know we are marginalized demonized we're villainized okay um so once Bobby actually met me and saw I was trying to do and you know he doesn't think I'm a super villain anymore so that's powerful and again Bobby Kenyon it's right other Democrats have said this I didn't leave the party the party left me so those are generally the most valued Partners into what I would consider the conservative movement um but that that's what gives me hope is that once people understand what's happened you know they they'll be dedicated to to keep moving the right direction and and the more that open their eyes the the stronger our Coalition builds and the more elections we can win uh so we can keep this keep our nation on the right path I think it surprised me too and my dad you know like growing up I lived in downtown Toronto which is very liberal and was always a liberal person I went to an art school and my parents were liberals too and it wasn't until things started to go sideways at the University dad kind of saw that you know we weren't we were never this far-left that you see popping up it was like sane liberals right and and I've been trying to explain yeah I've been trying to explain to my friends who are still they're still in Canada they're still liberals that what we used to believe isn't what the Liberal Party believes anymore it's completely different you know and it I think it has surprised me that the Republican party has been so welcoming two people that were previously Democrats um do you think it's possible that the Republican party has gone and I don't want to say more left but I don't think you know I don't think RFK Jr's beliefs for instance have changed very much in the last 30 years but now those beliefs are held by members of the Republican party so do you think everything shifted a little bit left what like what are you seeing I I assume you've been a lifelong Republican have you I'm still not I'm I'm more tea party okay I'm not of this world I was never involved in politics you know during the Tea Party Movement I I steep forward because we're moring our kids future okay and I'm I'm fighting for Freedom okay so that that's that's fair enough okay uh so but you got to join a party right I'm not enam all that enamored with a lot of people in the Republican Party okay so I'm I'm part of that Coalition okay um but what we have seen is realignment of politics I mean I I think in the past you know Republicans definitely repes presed those big corporate interests and you know really focused on you know the the the working men and women of this country I mean the little people the people that needed help um but the fact of the matter is you know we're all very compassionate in in America we all want to help people who can't help themselves or or help people help themselves and I think what Donald Trump has done is literally completed that complete realignment now it's Democrats who are they've always been beholden to the trial lawyers which is a enormous Lobby and corporate interest um but now they're they're the ones that are populated with all these billionaires that are funding all this crazy radical leftism and Republicans really I mean we do represent normal hardworking men and women the people that build this country that keep it operating um I'd like to think we always did maybe not in a in as intelligent way as we should I mean you got to support business because businesses are the ones that create products and services and hire people create good paying jobs okay that's that's something that I think the Democrats never really got is don't don't rip into businesses okay uh try and support businesses try and make it easy for them to build themselves and create great products and services and employ people don't don't make that harder try and make it easier within the constraints of you know antitrust don't don't let monopolies grow you know don't let them pollute our environment don't don't let them get away with poisoning our ourselves with food and and drugs so I I think Republicans have probably become more populous than we were in the past but I think our hearts are always there and and again I I think what gives me hope is I think most Americans agree on on the big issues that's why I say you know we're we're a horrible divided nation but there's no reason for us to be divided we're not a naturally divided people you know on the on the major goals in life safety security you know having a job having enough opportuni so you can Prov provide for yourself and your family retirement everybody agrees on that so okay I understand that there's differences how do you achieve that but we're all focusing in that same goal so why are we so divided well I let me be partisan it's because the left is purposely dividing us right that's what identity politics is about that's what critical race theory is about yeah I think so much the transgender is listen again we're compassion people anybody with true G gender dysphoria we have all kinds of compassion for but telling little boys they need to be little girls when they're little kids you know mutilating their bodies without their parent approval I mean I mean that is by the way that was I think thoroughly rejected in this election but I can't really say because almost half of Americans voted for the party that is pushing that so it's listen we we still have great concerns I mean we're that close it shouldn't be that close no the conf between common sense and conservative principles and love of Freedom versus the absolute Insanity of radical leftism it shouldn't be close but it is globally yeah yeah a lot of work cut out for us um that's for sure um and I I think it'd be interesting to see a study between people who voted Democrat and people who still trust mainstream media like CNN and these news websites because I I assume anybody who voted for camar they're getting their news from from CNN or mainstream media otherwise I don't see how it's possible like they have to believe the ccur of people that they're painting well but it's not just media remember our Ed controlled by the left as your dad found out right yeah that was the master stroke of the left they took over our universi 60s and so they you know it's all radical left Deans and professors and they've been teaching our children indoctrinating them now for decades and so it's all coming to fruition again that's why their eyes have been closed to reality because they've been indoctrinated to radical leftism that's the eye opening process but again it's again the truth is has its own power and and once your eyes are open oh this isn't as I thought it was um you know we got those people on our side for life okay well I think that's a good idea about Doge then and your round taes like even when we did the recent round table on nutrition and I was like the only way you know you're not going to change people's opinions by pushing through bills you have to educate them they have to know what's going on they have to know that certain foods aren't good or that the food pyramid wasn't designed without corruption if people knew these things and they'd automatically change like I I assume people I'm and I'm not sure but I assume people didn't really stop smoking cigarettes until everybody knew that long-term cigarett smoking could cause lung disease and then you don't really want to do that long term right it wasn't Cong pushing it through or the Senate pushing anything through that changed people's minds it was education right no you in in my own family my parents smoked and when we I remember I remember listening to the news program when I was probably like six seven years this is early 60s so I'm six 78 years old and I heard that cigarette smoking may cause cancer could not believe how we badgered our parents for years they finally quit you know it's like that scared the you know what out of me yeah it's it's people have to do it voluntarily I mean you again you don't want the long armor of government forcing you into action that's that's Freedom robbing but give people the information government again I don't want them to be Arbiter of the truth but you know we do need and maybe we need institutions outside of government uh that can be you know high integrity in terms of no this this science is reproducible you know I believe this is true studies on drugs that kind of stuff they don't have to prod produce your data so they they issue a study get peer-reviewed but the peer reviewers don't even get to see their own the data of the study that they're reviewing oh man I mean to me that's a total corruption I mean that's my maybe I'm wrong but that's my understanding of it yeah yeah the reason I'm hedging my bets is it's so unbelievable I think that's actually true because because I know we we've I've helped people try and get to the data of these studies that's being published so yeah yeah I think I've heard that as well you said that there might need to be institutions outside of the government but I I feel like that's what people used to think the news was you know the news was supposed to uncover these kind of things and tell you the truth and so we're missing you know old school news I don't know when it switched I know I certainly didn't trust it in 2016 in Canada so it probably fell before that but I don't even know when the news has been trustworthy well I I think you know again when I'm growing up in the 60s this is when the r taking over the universe system so they they start indoctrinating they're not journalists anymore they're advocates for the left but that takes time I mean journalism hadn't used to have integrity even though Walter kronite probably always voted Democrat you know they realized that you know I can't let that my bias out my reporting or they're going to fire me you know that's not American public wants biased news but slowly but surely the leftism started creeping into the news until it completely consumed it when with the election of Donald Trump that's where all pretense of being unbiased came with Donald Trump bad man you orange man bad we need to destroy him this is our job as journalists we have to destroy this man and that's now I thought it was interesting when Bobby started his uh presidential campaign one of the statements he made was this would be the first presidential election decided by podcast now I realized that that was probably the only way he could ever win is because he was completely being boycotted by the mainstream media he was only being allowed on conservative outlets and his main you know method of communicating his ideas was through podcasts but again third party candidates I mean you know love the guy but never really thought that had much of a chance but in the end he was right because I think what really put it over the top for Trump was he went on Joe Rogan he went on yeah you know he went on these things and without the filter of the mainstream media people saw what I've seen with Donald Trump I mean if you spend time with him I've frequently said you cannot not like him now there may be things that just aggravate you about the guy that you don't like but he's Charis charismatic he's engaging uh he's smart you cannot not like him and that's what the American public saw unfiltered in a three-hour conversation with Joe Rogan and all these other podcasts so in the end I think Bobby was probably right it could have been that might have been determinative for this election you all of a sudden it was cool yeah if you're if you're a young man particularly after you know his reaction to the assassination attempt that even Zuckerberg say that the most bad thing he's ever seen right all of a sudden for young men they proudly wear make America great hat yeah that was a seat in just a couple months it was really remarkable to see this it was it was I had an interesting experience we went to Austin this was right after the uh first assassination attempt which we were shocked especially from Trump's response because it was so brave right you can't fake that kind of response and so we were talking to our Uber driver about it and he goes yeah you know someone must have been behind it and we were like yeah someone was probably behind it but we were on like different kind of sides of the of whatever conspiracy you want to call that um and he thought it was faked by the Republican Party party because Trump was so brave after that nobody could have done that yeah and we were like oh wow that's what you think like that's what's going around no they again they they're trying to marginalize that reaction that can't be real I mean no nobody could be that badass nobody could be that brave this had to be a whole set up with a unbelievable you know you know phenomenal Marksman yeah and and time of just right so he turns his head and by the way that was my chart was it it was yeah I gave that to him on a on a plane flight up to the Green Bay rally in April wow kind of fun to be that little smidgen of History oh man well good job on the chart life saving yeah that's for sure life saving chart oh wild wild okay well do you have any concerns of like oh my gosh actually you're probably I mean you're more aware of this than me what's going on in the news about whatever's happening in Ukraine recently do you have any knowledge about that is any of that true Biden allowing more long-term missiles do you know anything about that yes is that real yes it's real and there's no there's no there's no strategic purpose to it from I can see I mean they're they're launching these things at Russian positions around the area within Russia that uh Ukraine made a push into um so it's not going to change the tide of the war um it it is provocative it's it's a dangerous escalation uh so Jeffrey saaks he's a person to the left right he gives the most accurate and Salient explanation of how we walked our way into threatening World War III going back to 1991 I'm I'm I'm assuming he is is starting out with the basic agreement between James Baker and Mel gorbachov that basically said we're not going to push Nato one inch to the East and we've come Bobby talks about this all the time we've come hundreds of miles and then even though you know okay Putin basically accepted that right said but Ukraine that's a red line you do not threaten putting and we kept kept pushing in we spent I think five billion dollars of what the reports are you McCain and and Victoria nuland fomenting the revolution of dignity which sounds good I mean Freedom loving ukrainians yeah let him let him you know Escape Soviet Domin and and come toward the west nobody ever told me as a member of the state and forign committee the European chairman of the European subcommittee that know Ukraine was a really divided country might be 5050 you half of them really rather be governed by Russia the other half wants to go know nobody explained that to me as I'm making codell there and you know trying to support the freedom loving people of Ukraine then you push it further and threaten NATO by the way I think you you probably could have prevented that war just by telling uh Putin okay okay don't invade we're not going to offer Ukraine NATO membership that that would have been a good bargain right yeah they didn't do that um so in the end Putin invaded now it's just a bloody State and okay you can say a lot of people you know blow it off say ah he'll never use nuclear weapons I will tell one I tell you one thing Putin will not lose this war yeah losing the war is existential to Putin okay he will not lose this war and he does have nuclear weapons so let's not press him uh the only way this war ends is in a negotiated settlement every day that goes by the settlement gets worse and worse and worse because more ukrainians die more Russian conscripts die I take no joy in that and more of Ukraine gets destroyed so they send these attack comes into Ukraine and what's Russia's response a massive strike at Ukraine's infrastructure structure shutting down the electrical grid so that's going to have to be repaired we're just we're just increasing the destruction of Ukraine so that again every day that goes by whatever settlement we're going to get is going to be worse and worse and worse and of course don't want to settle because can't let Putin win well he's not going to lose and in the meantime Ukraine just keeps losing more and more and more and more makes no sense it's insane yeah I just don't understand why it was done so close to you know a change in government like why why did it just happen seems rather dramatic to happen right before there's a huge shift in government I don't know is Biden literally trying to sabotage the the Trump Administration oh my gosh I have no idea I I can't explain the action of these radical leftists people like Biden and Harris and Obama and like it makes no sense to me it's not it's not actions taken for the benefit of America and American people yeah that's for sure that's for sure okay well is there anything else you'd like to tell people about I think you've answered all my questions but is there anything people should be aware of well we we haven't talked spoken a whole lot about you know how we met is is really the the issue of chronic health and and what we need to do healthier H how did you how did you get interested in that there's so I was so shocked to ever be in a position where I was in Washington talking about diet I was just like that's never you know that is never going to happen so how how did you get interested in that by way wasn't it cool when Senator crepo showed up and he was able to tell his story like you were able to tell yours yeah it's completely unscripted yes definitely that came about because of podcast so I somebody sent me or I saw Tucker podcast with Casey and c means yeah and it resonated with me I mean Casey has got Dr mean has got such a great way of explaining mitochondria Health our metabolism uh you know how we get all of our energy from the Sun we convert that into food you know plant and animal food then it's our bod's chore to break down that food and turned into energy efficiently so we can heal our body so she does a great job of just explaining that in layman's terms so you know I like that I called up her contact started talking to her and I said well this this is the kind of information because I remember Tucky said you're going to change the world and I don't disagree with that okay uh so I wanted to highlight that you know I kind of learned that you know got the formula but by the way I think my public events are far more effective than hearings because in hearings it's it's just members of Congress you know arguing and you know Grand saying that kind of stuff my events you noce I didn't talk much right I gave I gave an opening statement and then I I had a little discipline I told all you guys get 600 words keep it to that and then answer um but I let the panel talk and I don't know have you tracked how many views your presentation or clips of your presentation have had oh a lot the oh my gosh one of the clips I put out and it was kind of an overview that's in the millions I think my speech is something like 300,000 and then dad's is similar you know it was good and then the clips did very well you know those round tables are very popular multiply that times I think we had like close to two dozen presenters each with important thing to say I I still think again ears was fabulous Dr Chris Palmer his his one statement where he said whoever they are they don't want to discover the root cause yeah yeah I mean that that is the that is the root cause right there we can't ask the questions you know Bobby Kennedy has been vilified for just saying what what's causing autism I mean could it be the fact we've gone from 3 to 85 Doses and we're giving them multiple doses I mean could that be I mean could it be seed oil I mean I don't know I don't know what I will say is I want to be a very honest Arbiter of how this transpires I mean I I know a lot of people in that panel panel have very strong opinions that it's this or that or whatever yeah if you I don't expect you really listening to my opening statement but my final paragraph was basically making the statement that I'm amazed I'm it's a Marvel how much mankind has learned at an accelerating pace we know so much but what we don't know vastly exceeds what we do that's for sure so we have to have that humility so again I don't want to I don't want to blow up the agriculture industry I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater here I mean if there are safe pesticides that help us Feed the World feed ourselves I don't have a problem with that but you know we ought to ask because I think we've just been lied to that okay GM GMO stuff is fine well I don't know show me the corrupted science Yeah by by people totally outside the industry as opposed to what's been funded by the corporate interest I mean show me the truth and that's going to take a while for us to really develop that or to analyze it and kind of come to those conclusions but again I you know I know there are people going to be lining up to do everything they can to destroy Bobby and his efforts and keep him from being HHS secretary I mean I don't know you probably don't know this but within two weeks over 200 ultural interests you know groups wrote a letter to the uh chairman and ranking member of the House and the Senate egg committee I I immediately got a copy they don't mention me they didn't mention our our panel but it was definitely directed it what we were exploring and just you know saying we we can't let this go on because we're going to destroy our agriculture industry we're going to not be able to produce food and and again is it maybe a little over the top I think they legitimate concerns that I think we need to address we need we need to lay those concerns and again we just you know can't come in here Gang Busters and say okay we got all the information we know what the truth is this is what we're going to do I think we need to do is address the fundamentals okay H how do we uncorrupt science you know how do we set up a a decent adversarial system you how do we get rid of the the liability for vaccines which is causing that's why this is that's why we have 85 doses there's no liability this is a money-making machine for for pharmaceutical companies with no liability that's that's a major by the way that's a major cost which we have to understand if we want life saving new drugs we can't can't be bankrupting companies Su them all the time either so this is a delicate balance there's not there's nothing easy about there's there's no there's no ultimate there there is always ultimate truth but uh it's difficult for us to discern it so again we need to approach this with a real humility and and a genuiness of purpose of what we're trying to again we're just we're trying to understand what is causing autism what a what a horrible thing to have happen to a family and it's happening to more families almost at an exponential rate what about chronic illness wouldn't our country our world be so much better if we could solve that well in order to solve it we have to ask the questions and we haven't been allowed to ask the questions you know so again that's that's that's my main point is allow us to ask the questions don't don't vilify don't destroy the people that just have the honesty like Bobby Kenny he didn't seek this notoriety on childhood vaccines it it was thrust on him when when given the science he just couldn't close his eyes and and understand that you know they are people's livelihoods at stake you know in food processing in agriculture I mean yeah yeah for sure we have to understand as well so we have to understand the other people's perspective and just try and move forward um as honestly as we possibly can and I I I think a lot of of the fear of um having RFK Jr come in is you know this is what I hear from the left too is he's going to cancel vaccines like we're not going to have vaccines anymore they don't understand that what he's looking for is transparency and no corruption right like it's reasonable even I I had a I had a terrible experience with anti-depressants it was very difficult to come off of them without withdrawal that doesn't mean they shouldn't be available but people should know about the side effects you know that that that's about it like I I'm all for having the freedom to eat whatever you want as long as people know and have science they can trust you know what what are the side effects what are the risks for you like smoke cigarettes if you want to smoke cigarettes but at least you know what might happen right and that is so reasonable it's so reasonable I can't believe anybody has an issue with it yeah it's freedom and government's role in guaranteeing that freedom is know informed consent yeah and that ought to be here to be the Arbiter in terms of okay you produce this you need to do certain studies they need to be honest and then you have to inform the consumer I mean one of the famous moments in I think this was one of my co events is Dr rata Moon you know showed the insert for the vaccine it's this big piece of paper it says intentionally let blank that they didn't provide any of the information that that doctors would need to provide informed consent sent to their patients they just rammed it down and even worse mandated it to the members of our military to hospital workers to so many no it's it was really I mean what what what they they did to us into society's unbelievable but even maybe more unbelievable but depressing is how many people accepted it kind of like sheep to the slaughter um so that if people were informed uh and and again the good news is we do have a free press you we have podcasts now we've got alternate media you can get the truth it's getting more and more difficult to discern the truth because it's just not three networks with journalists who they may be biased but they pretty well keep the bias out and they're pretty fair and balance okay that's that that's relegated to the 60s maybe into the 70s uh kind of got went by the wayside so again I I I just applaud you for uh you know coming to my my event telling your story having a podcast like this I certainly appreciate being part of it and happy to come back on sometime else when I've got more to say yeah that sounds great thanks for all the updates it was very informative good luck with everything and I guess we will well we'll see what happens in January say say hi to your dad for me I will thanks again for coming on oh and be before you go if people want to find you online or find out more about you where should they go we're easy to find out you know I really ought to memorize this I think it's at send Ron Johnson I have no idea you you know what I'll link everything in the got an X account I've got all that stuff yeah pretty easy to find perfect perfect I'll link everything thank you again take care bye [Music]

RFK Jr. and Corporate Capture

Sen. Johnson's Government Skepticism

Vaccine Development Concerns

Corruption in Federal Agencies

FDA and the Revolving Door

Challenges in Scientific Research Integrity

Public Health, Media, and Transparency

Myocarditis Data Suppression

Shifts in U.S. Political Alignments

Republican Realignment and Working-Class Focus

Media Bias and Public Perception

Podcast Politics and RFK Jr.’s Campaign

Ukraine Conflict and U.S. Involvement

Senate Roundtable Reflections

RFK Jr.’s Goals for Transparency in Health