'Detransitioned' Navy SEAL Opens Up About Gender Dysphoria | Chris Beck

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why did you decide to detransition was there something that happened um I don't know that much about gender dysphoria to tell you the truth I don't either nobody does that's what I'm trying to say is nobody does if we knew what gender identity disorder was we wouldn't be doing surgery on [Music] kids Chris Beck welcome to my podcast I'm glad to have you on here thank you uh can we start off by you giving a brief background about who you are and what it is you do and a little bit about what you've been through okay well my name is Chris Beck I'm known as a Navy SEAL well actually originally I was known as a Navy SEAL and that was about it and then after I retired in 2011 I was uh I started feeling things that made me want to change my life a bit and then in uh 2013 uh 14 time frame I came out as transgender and then uh and I lived that way for you know quite a while and I say I lived that way as a as a past tense which isn't really proper because I think that's the misconception a lot of people uh don't know is that transgender is it's not transgender it's gender identity disorder and uh that's something that I had and I think a lot of folks have it except that mine was possibly a little bit extreme because of whatever reasons and then I also uh I was retired and I was at that point in my life where I was like I don't care anymore you know and then I uh I came out as Kristen and they made a a movie on CNN about it and then and then everything just went off the hook after that uh I went out a lot of news programs and uh all kinds of things started happening it was like the floodgates opened up as soon as you won one episode it just it just goes wild and uh and now in you know this year I announced publicly that I was detransitioning now I was already and I don't the word detransition I'd love to talk about that also because that's just a ridiculous word but um I I started trying to go back to who I really was I tried to I tried to figure out what was wrong and I had to do this all on my own because I had no help doing this I asked for psychological help you know in different ways and I I almost felt like the psychological Community is is like a is on a track and I don't understand it and so anything that was wrong with me they would just keep going back to transgender or saying something about identity and all this stuff and so that's when I started really digging into like Carl Young and a whole bunch of other books and and Jordan Peterson as a matter of fact I didn't know you were his daughter when I first said yes to your podcast but I uh that's cool I just well that's a whole another story I don't so I I just I feel that I had to do it on my own because I didn't have any help because it seemed like it was such it it was propaganda the problem I see right now is and it's the same problem we have with everything in life it becomes political it becomes binary it becomes well actually binary is not that big of a deal when you're talking about people but that's another little joke in there but the uh the it's I would just say a healan DI dialectic you know it's like they always want us to fight they want us to be in this camp and that camp if you're in the middle they get mad at you and then they try to force you on one end or the other and I've always had a problem with that because I'm very much in the middle I'm extremely conservative on some points I'm extremely liberal on other points and that's I think most people are like that but I got pushed into these camps and I was like I don't want to be in those camps and so I started going towards the middle and then both sides hate me and then I'm like well I don't I'd rather be hated by both sides and be myself and be real you know be truthfully me which is very much in the middle I'm not Kristen I'm not Christopher I'm call me Chief you know because then you're getting rid of all that baggage that I had before and all that baggage I had after and all I'm saying is my potential you know look at me for what what I am and who I am not by labels or Not by the clothing I wear you know don't judge me on my fashion because my fashion sense is is flannel shirts if you look at what I've done almost every interview and it's the same flannel I own like three of them and I'll never wear anything else on an interview and uh I'm actually thinking about dying them all black because the same shirts but to dye them black like Johnny Cash because I'm so tired of all this I just I'm waiting for something to just it's going to blow up and that's a part that people do not understand is that there're lighting fires everywhere on both sides of the aisle so you have the right lighting fires on the left and the left lightting fires on the right and you don't think that's affecting people so they're taking all of these issues and they're making them political and they're making them egotistical they're making them into the money and money is the biggest problem but I mean I can go into this stuff for you forever but I want you to know like my stance and where I am I had gender dysphoria and and I think gender dysphoria is something that if you're transgender you all have gender dysphoria you don't have transgender transgender is like the end result of the high level gender dysphoria is the gender identity disorder and it's something that you can work with now for me most of the life I was I was between and I'm going to do a 100 scale I was like maybe a 10 I was a 15 I was a 20 sometimes I was like anxiety or I was stressed out or whatever I might be like a 20 with identity going you know there something going on but then when I retired it was pegging way up there I was like maybe 60% because I was just fed up with everything and I also went through a lot too in my life that just made me start hating myself which is kind of what all of the universities seem to be teaching really well these days is how to hate each other and which I quit school I was doing my masters in medic uh in mental health counseling and I 100% quit school over a philosophical argument with a teacher they were teaching CRT this professor and uh Professor started out as a third grade teacher and now as a professor in college and it was still third grade levels crap they're teaching this hatred against the entire white race every time she would say anything about white people it was like white people and it was like and it was like yeah but I'm white and I don't I don't hate myself I do sometimes I mean I do dumb stuff don't we all you know I'm not I don't generally hate myself I don't hate white people I don't hate black people I don't hate Asian people I don't I don't hate anybody you know flat out that's ridiculous who in this world I doubt I doubt anyone truly hates everyone from an entire sect of people you know and hate a label or hate something that I'm born with I hate you because you have brown eyes well I hate you because you have blue eyes it's the same thing you know I'm born how I am and you're GNA hate me because I was born come on but that's what they're teaching at universities so when they started really hammering at I wrote a paper it was an opinion paper and my opinion is my opinion and if you say it's an opinion paper how are you going to grade me and give me a 50% out of a 100 for my opinion y it was a punishment because I challenged the professor because I said this is wrong I started bringing up and I talked about this on another podcast a little while ago it was like Great Zimbabwe and all the kings and queens of Africa and these greatness that happened throughout the centuries on this continent and the birth you know the cradle of civilization I could go on and on and on and this is stuff that I was writing my paper saying that there's no reason for you know people to hate each other look how great the greatness and we've had greatness and everybody's had greatness plus we've had failures and we've had mess ups you know we've done stuff wrong as Nations as peoples every people's done stuff wrong so if you want to start hating people then hate all people you can't just pick one group of people that in history did one thing and what slavery in America was like 70 or 80 years total if you really look at the numbers when we were done 1776 and when it was when it was over it was barely a blink of an eye in in all of Mankind's history you know you want to talk I just kind of stuff really bothers me you know but that's why I quit college when I started seeing this this hatred against people I started seeing the same thing in the trans Community about the labels and about hatred and about setting these labels up for failure and I don't want to hate myself and you know so I started looking at all of this and I put this entire ideology into the same group as CRT that they're purposely separating people for whatever reasons and causing discontent causing Hate by labels by um mental health issues that are exacerbated into surgery which we don't do for um nrx or any other you know thing that's bodily uh issued you know Eating Disorders I don't see you doing teenagers uh surgeries for somebody has a uh eating disorder you know and I can go through this forever but so that's I mean that's a huge explanation of me but um you just have to understand that all of this happened I would have been silent I was already out of transgender 100% a while ago and I understood it start to for me it was gender identity disorder was a mental health issue which I can deal with you know I can work on that but if it's something you tell me that's permanent that's something that we're all born like this we all do this and it's and there's only one way to fix it well that's bunk you know because you're putting a blanket uh a blanket um Solution on every human being that shows up saying anything about being a tomboy or hey I like to wear you know freely and soft things sometimes it makes me comfortable oh you're transgender it's like come on you you know the whole thing has just been blown out of the water so far that I just I had to start speaking out I wanted to be silent I never wanted to come on these programs I uh I did that one with Robbie Starbuck which you know great people and they did a good job and then I went on tuer Carlson for like four minutes and those are the only like mainstream I've done and I will not do any mainstream every time I come on these kind of podcast because I looked at a little bit of stuff and I actually looked up the wrong person first but I looked stuff up I see if somebody's a good person and if they're putting out pretty good information and then I say yeah go on your show but as mainstream media I just keep saying no not doing it you know unless you just give me my my ability just to speak and don't interrupt me and Tucker was kind enough that he did that if you look at the Tucker Carlson um show that I did a week ago he just lets me talk and when I finish he says wow good point and then he goes on to his next thing so was he was very respectful for that way that he let me speak and the message that I was trying to give on Tucker was we're all people we all struggle the main message is we all struggle you know we all have issues and uh I have my issues and you have your issues and everyone so why would you want to pile on top of somebody else's issues or why would you want to take your issues and and shove them on top of somebody else to make their issues even even tougher and and mess with their life you know and so I'm saying that to all those folks on both sides of the aisle that's all you're doing everybody on the right has problems everybody on the left has problems why do you keep piling more on top of each other I don't understand that you know people need to start waking up and look at your neighbor and look at the folks living in Canada and Mexico and all around us we think there were some kind of like great nation that we can do whatever we want and forget about those guys North forget about those guys South they're our neighbors we're the same and then I say look across the pond Europe look at Russia Ukraine all everything we're all neighbors this is a really small planet so my whole message is just wake up start being nice to each other stop piling on we have enough problems you know I mean I know i' spoke for a long time but I just I live this every day because my heart hurts right now to see where our country's going and to see where the world is going we need to do something people need to wake up and chill out have some compassion and go talk to your neighbor in person don't Facebook them don't Instagram them and all that tweet and stuff you know walk next door and talk to your neighbor start speaking SP face to face or you're never going to get your answers you know we got to start conversing I like that I like that a lot that's about it I I completely agree well that was a very good introduction um I I have a bunch of prepared questions for you but um I thought one of them is um what are your views on whe okay so I'm I don't know that much about uh gender dysphoria to tell you the truth I don't either nobody does like depression that's real that's what I'm trying to say is nobody does yeah okay otherwise we wouldn't be doing surgery on these kids you know if we knew what gender identity disorder was we really knew what it was we wouldn't be doing surgery on kids we' be digging in there and looking at the underlying causes we'd looking at anxiety at depression at a myriad of other things that could add up to gender identity disorder we got to look at childhood trauma we got to look at generational trauma is one of the ones that we keep missing you there's there's so many things so the fact is those psychologists that think they know because they went to surgery they don't know so if you really want to know what is is you need to speak to some other folks I think talk to some philosophers or maybe some religious people because at least they're trying you know yeah I like that that idea of generational trauma too that's something I kind of was like nah that's kind of hippie dippy but then I started looking at my family and and you know with there's alcoholism on one side and you know I know my great grandpa was dropped off on a doorstep when he was a baby and then these kind of things do modify your behavior and then you teach your kids those behaviors that are modified so there really is something to that generational trauma 100% I could go into that one pretty deep because I've passed on my own generational trauma I had two boys and uh unfortunately some of the things that I've learned to stop doing you know now I uh I did some of that to my to my two boys and oh that's my worst break my heart yeah I saw you know so I have a 5-year-old girl and I noticed and I was I was quite ill for most of my life um I had very very Cris crippling depression and um arthritis and I noticed some of the behaviors I did when she was really little and and I I tried to stop myself as soon as I noticed myself doing them and her mimicking them was like oh no no no no no I don't want some of these behaviors passed on I need to get myself sorted out right now yeah that's awesome you broke the psycho that's awesome well hopefully I don't know I'm sure I passed on Plenty of problems but at least I think I got some under control yeah um so what do you think say you have a kid who's experiencing gender dysphoria what should a parent do you do what parents do you love them you talk to them you have a lot of conversations and then if there's conversations that get Beyond you you find a good counselor you know even though I'm giving a lot of crap to counselors and all that there's some amazing counselors out there one of my professors actually at the University I was gone to is an amazing counselor and I would go to him every day and he's a childhood counselor you know he he does a lot with youth and uh Dr curtain and uh you need to find someone like that someone who's like open-minded and doesn't have an agenda doesn't have a narrative doesn't have like he no push because it has to be a very open dialogue and just let let them speak and uh you'll want to do individual but you're going to also want to do group with with your child because I think that's important because you should be able to know all the stuff that's going on and be a because you're with your kid more than that one hour session with the counselor so you should kind of know what's going on on so that you can continue when you're home now it's not you're going to let your kid be a kid you know but you're not going to force a kid one way or the other surgery is definitely not the answer because this is a lot it's much more internal than it's external and an external solution for anyone you know is going to be an issue and when I talk about gender identity disorder I'm also talking about women and men who uh do the uh very far out um gender uh surgeries that they do you know when they do the the massive breast augmentation or you have guys putting these huge calves in their legs you know guys that have really big upper bodies but they have chicken legs so they put they add calves on you don't think that's gender identity disorder now the good part is those gender identities are in line with their U physical sex and so it's easy to cover up it's easy to hide it's easy everybody accepts it and the problem in society right now thanks to the Kardashians and all the other crap they uh it's it's just ex it's like way over the top so for women um women and the female uh gender identi order so it's it's aligned it's parallel what are they doing you know if you look at those magazines and look where the Kardashians are growing and all those other people they're they're it's almost a it's like mimicking you know real women and you know what I mean and I think men do the same thing which they all want to be like Arnold Schwarzenegger or all the other folks who are you know way over the top you know bodybuilders and all that but they can't do it because physically not everyone can do that physically not every woman is going to be you know looking like a maryn Moro hourglass figure and everything else it's just not possible you know we're all different shapes and sizes and we should be proud of that I whenever they talk about diversity it just cracks me out that they miss the whole point of diversity you know they want diversity but they want everybody to be the same in their diversity you know if they wanted to invite somebody to talk about diversity in a lgbtq environment I would be the most diverse person that they would ever meet because I'm transgender I have gender identity disorder so I'm still in your group you know and I was a Navy SEAL and I was surgery and no surgery and D all the other stuff you're not going to find a more diverse character but they kick me out they don't want diversity they want diversity as long as it lines up with their agenda you know and then when you start talking about inclusion is a whole another thing I don't know if they really know de and if they really understand what inclusion really means you know there's there's a lot of these little issues that seem to be exacerbating and just going in one direction towards the same slippery slope it seems like everything keeps aiming at the same thing to uh get rid of all the whites and and then we're gone you know that's what it seems to me and I don't get it that's what they're teaching universities every time I go to De and that's if you're not you know if you're white male and especially like Christian and middle class or anything else you're not allowed you're excluded how is that diversity I don't get that you know I mean I'm rambling on a whole bunch of different things but all of this is it all adds up together and if we had enough time it all comes together it's all the same stuff it's taking words it's taking labels it's taking all the stuff and it's changing them to meet narratives it's changing everything to meet an agenda rather than taking a word it means this and it's say well that word means that well maybe we need to invent another word or like even the sports you have uh male and female sports for for reasons you know if I was to go in and fight UFC when I was supposedly transgender and i' fought UFC when I was claiming you know a female which I never really did I was like being wom and being female was different and way I saw the whole thing so if I fought UFC during that time period when they would have let me do you think I would have just crushed everybody I mean I probably would have gotten beat there's some tough ladies out there but I I mean the power and the ability I would have that barely any women would ever have because of the testosterone going through my body for you know 40 something years you know and just the the senu strength and the ligament connections just the way I'm built I would crush all those women and I just thought that would be unfair just like ridiculous so I never even entertained the idea that I would ever compete against women in anything you know they even said that I could apply for uh these special grants and things these women grants and I was like no I said that doesn't even make any sense you know so I did kind of put myself whether most people have noticed it or not I don't me anybody noticed it but I had myself in kind of a different class I did not want to um I mean no I did kind of mess up a little bit where I did encroach a lot on a women's territory so I wouldn't say I didn't you know that was a huge mistake and I admit that but there were definitely areas that I would never think to ever cross those lines and right now all the lines are crossed and there are no boundaries and now they're actually changing definitions of words you know that how does that make sense who do you think like you said it's part of a bigger agenda do you think this is this is coming from something external or is is this just people Mak things crazy within America within America it's um for a while I keep pointing at Sweden and and it's been a couple of years I've been talking about the Netherlands Sweden and Scandinavian countries who were very far in front of this entire transgender curve and the transgender surgery curve especially and uh about a year ago I think they started doing this really big study and it's called the jcurve and it's in Sweden and it's the gender surgery or gender um identity J curve and you can look it up Google that but uh they had this there was the curve went and it went it shot way up and it looked like a j bam it was a 1500% increase in our teenagers identifying as transgender non-binary 1500% increase does that sound like a popular or fat or something does that sound like somebody's pushing it or it's it's it became so popular that the wave kind of picked up a lot of people well that's what Sweden found out and so Sweden kind of they didn't put a hall to it but they said hey we need some studies we need to figure this out so Sweden reacted the government of Sweden and people there they went up in arms they were like what's going on this doesn't seem right and they did the the curve now goes way up and now it goes it starts going way back down W and who knows where it's going to go but they corrected it and the biggest thing I keep talking about is if somebody has has you know G and they have you know they're transgender and they want to do surgeries and you're over 18 you're over whatever age you know rock on you know do your thing and have a great life you I congratulate you the thing is if it's teenagers and you see this 1500% you know uptake in this going on there's a lot of people getting swept up inside of that tidal wave and when those folks that are in that TI wife when they graduate high school when it's all over and they no longer have that peer pressure they no longer have all those hormones running through bodies and it's all wild you know high school high school's just it's one of those times nobody wants to redo it it's crazy so all those folks that get swept up in this tital wave when the Title Wave is over when you're done with high school and you're sitting there 22 years old and you have a job you start really thinking all those folks that got wrapped up in that tidal wave what's going to happen to them and so they keep saying they care about trans kids they care about trans kids they keep saying how much they care do they care about those people that are getting swept up do they care about the people that find out that this wasn't really me because I had boom boom boom boom they start going down the line of other things or they had really intense gender identity disorder because of all of these reasons or all my friends were TR so it was just it was easier you know that's kids that's how kids talk you know they do when they start really thinking about it when they're 22 23 30 years old what happens to them now for me when I say I care about the kids I care about all the kids I care about those kids that have gender identity disorder the gender dysphoria and I care about the ones that have it really bad that might end up having have surgery later in life I care about them I don't want you to be healthy I want you to be happy I also care about the ones that the transgender Community does not care about I care about the ones the trans kids that they say are trans kids I care about the ones that you do not care about the ones that when they're 22 years old that found out they made a mistake I care about them and those are the ones if you start looking at the rates of taking their own lives of everything else that's going on this is the problem that nobody wants to talk talk about and I feel like I'm the only one talking about this and I know I've when I was on Robbie Starbuck I was very emotional and I was I was very very lucky that my fiance Courtney was there with me because uh she's an academic and she she goes right into the academics of it and I'm very passionate I go yeah and then she goes D she just starts going right through it and so she's you know magnificent when it comes to that to just talk me down a little bit and make me not be so passionate but I do want you to understand that I I do care about all those kids who have git dysphoria and and want to do surgery later in life you know off for it you know but follow the guidelines and right now the guidelines I've been talking about this again for like a year is uh the Harry Benjamin protocols and uh they they started canceling all the stuff out and they went to W paath and uh the W path I said a long time ago has been um it's corrupted it's uh it's it's gone to the point where it's just a it's a check in the box and then the other part is that everybody knows how to game the system so they have coaches for transgender kids now and so if you're a trans kid and your parents don't agree with what you're going on they can hide it and do all the stuff and you'll be assigned a coach you'll be signed an older transgender person to sit right there with you and give you the words now does that sound good what does that sound like to you I mean that sounds kind of like um I don't know I've know some religious in the past that used to do that kind of stuff you know yeah and then they all end up drinking Kool-Aid you know they don't last very long because that the whole thing falls apart it's a house of cards you know and they're building a huge house of cards that's worldwide and uh I don't want the rest of the world to look at America that we're all doing this because I think it's a very very small number of Americans and I don't want you to look at all the transgender people the older transgender people that I know been calling me and writing me notes and saying yeah you're right about this this and this and this but this is and I'm like well I was right about a lot I said can you keep dig in and look at more of it and I say yeah yeah we we want to a lot of transgender people the older transgender people that that I know are uh are a little upset you know I think it's more of an activist problem I think when you get these people in there who are being paid and they activist and they have they're most of them have good hearts and they want to help but there comes a time when they're activist in I don't know if that's a word but activiz I don't know when they're doing it so hardcore and they're so wrapped up to it and that becomes their entire identity so their identity is no longer human their identity is no longer American their identity probably isn't even transgender anymore their identity is an activist and all they're trying to do is recruit and get their side of the story out and then make sure any other part of the story is as quiet as possible and for me there's a guy named go that did that really well you know I mean it's propaganda and a lot of the stuff that I'm talking about is uh I can tie it into politics and religion and all kinds of things all the failed States and all the failed religions and all the failed everything that you see start out with a lot of good intentions even Cults and uh fiance Courtney she's a cult expert that's one of the things she studied and she's been coach me through a lot of this and I'm just like my it blows my mind when I start seeing the parallels and if somebody would write a paper on it it's a PhD thesis maybe she should do it but the um I just I keep finding things that line up and it's and it's just it's horrible and uh if you're a kid you have no chance and uh at least I had a chance you know when I was a kid you know I grew up and I was a kid and I hid a lot of stuff and then I finally started after I retired and then uh and now I look back at my life and I still cannot pinpoint the exact time and I can't pinpoint any like one event you know I think it's a it's a it's like the death of a Thousand Cuts you know it's um it was just a whole bunch of little things all adding up and then finally it broke you know and I just I think that happens with a lot of folks you know if you're not taking care of the small things all those small things will add up to really big later in life and I think that's a value of having a good coach or a mentor or that good counselor I'm talking about or even if you had a parent or a sibling or somebody you can speak to we all need to talk talk to somebody cuz none of us are right none of us know everything you know we need to go out there investigate and have dialogues and speak and I'm speaking way too much I'm sorry I think I'm answering most of your questions I just realiz I'm talking too much no no no that's why you're on here um I think I think the lack of communication could easily be contributing to just mental illness as a whole I know that if I like during Co and there have been periods of time where I've been isolated in my life and like I don't stay Saye for sure like for sure you you need to be able to talk out loud to somebody about what's going on around you to make sure it's real I think well if you if you think about prisons and you think about like wartime when we have somebody in a p camp or something what's like the worst punishment you can give somebody isolation you know you put them in isolation and after a while the person's going to break you know they're going to give up the information or they're just going to go in it really does it affects you heavily we are social creatures you know we have to have social you know everything you know so yeah isolation is terrible yeah and I I wonder how much you know especially younger Generations now with spending a lot of time on Tik Tok and just being fed you know certain things through Tik Tok and not hanging out with their friends or going outside I don't know what kids do now but I don't know if they go outside and play in the streets like they used to like even I did when I grew up um that's got to be isolating too even though you have social media and friends on social media it's still it's real exactly yeah I love what you said to social media is 100% isolation if all you do is look at your phone you're not with anybody you're with the digits you know yeah we need to go back to an analog world you know and I've I've been going around my entire house LEDs everything and I'm going back analog I don't want anything digital in my life if it's not analog I don't want it you know and I and I count that for people too there are some very digital people out there you know they run a computer programs you know that's like there's a book I read called the uh it's a chimp brain Paradox and uh most people in this day and age because of the society we're living in they're all digital they're not even living on a human way and humans are analog we run on analog everything you know they're digital they're run on computer programs it's a yes and no world for them you know I hate you I love you and it's not everything it's it's the same problem yeah that definitely contributes I like I worry about that for myself too I have a podcast so I spend a lot and I I have a lot online you know a brand and I help my dad with his online I guess you could call it a brand and so a I spend all my time on a computer but then I I section off periods of the day because I have a 5-year-old so I section off where I'm like okay got to put my phone down you've got the red light blue lockers I you know I do I don't have them here but I definitely I should wear them more all the time every time you're on a computer you better do blue blockers because there's the frequency of the blue light is coming out of here is very very dangerous yeah I can feel it it's yeah it's bad so do the blue blockers when you're on a computer especially if you're on it every day yeah I should do that more I have a I like I changed my phone cover so my phone kind of takes away all the blue light so at least I do that but I used to be better with the blue blockers awesome yeah I dropped it I dropped it um do you have anything to say to kids who are say I and I feel like this happens a lot especially in more probably more liberal areas of the country if they're having gender dysphoria and they're in school and they're being encouraged to do surgery and told hey you know the suicide risk is higher but if you do the surgery your suicide risk will drop um do you have anything to say to kids considering surgery um and I would say something kind of funny and this would be poting more at the parents would be um your kid's chosen name of what the kid wants to be called and I mean when I was a kid what would be like a silly name that some kid wanted to be killed when they were kids you know call me firet truck you know I'm not saying I want to be a fire truck or just Pocahontas you Pocahontas so so what you should do is have your kid saying hey let's um let's just tattoo Pocahontas across your forehead and just hold have that for a while because that's what you want to be Pocahontas let's just tattoo you for a while but do with like Hannah or something and then just have like this giant Pocahontas you know or something cross your face so everybody sees it every second and we'll see what happens you know and it would be a permanent tattoo if you could and then you let them know the permanence of it you know what if you had a permanent tattoo across your face with something like just big label so that every time somebody saw you they saw that giant label across your face and was it was the only thing they could really see you know and then see how you feel see how people treat you see how it all fits in and then how what what do you feel about that and just the conversation alone would be you know well permanent tattoo across my face why would I want to do that well I mean it's the same thing you know it's something that's very permanent and it's right there it's in front of everybody and it's something that's really hard to change so if you got like a a giant tattoo across your face to remove tattoo is very painful and it takes a long time and a lot a lot of money and it's the same thing as that so for me I did get breast augmentation you know and that was also just I don't know what happened and that was another thing that I'm trying to find out what I did wrong as far as me needing that for me to be fulfilled in whatever you know intellectual or uh mental health reason and at the time it seemed right but as I looked back on it it was like I I don't know what I did and then so they're doing a permanent uh surgery to their bodies that they're not going to change very easily it's very difficult to change very painful and some of the changes uh Khloe Cole I bring her up because she's one of the only public you know younger transgender people that just talked to Dad Dad Dad called me yeah Dad called me today and I said and said oh yeah I'm I really want to get Khloe Cole out like oh who's Khloe Cole and I was like oh that's interesting I'm talking to Chris back today so yeah she's an excellent example and I don't bring up any other ones but there's there's hundreds and the thing is is like they're still young they don't want to be in the news Chloe is taking a lot of heavy hits and I hope they don't use her and abuse her like they did me on CNN and she's still very young and I was an adult when I got used in kind of that machine of mainstream media and you know I mean you've been on enough shows and things that it's a machine it's entertainment you know and they're going to use you up as much as they can hey go on this show go on this show go on this show and they're doing that to Khloe and I do hope if Khloe hears this you know take a take a break you know I did all those news shows and if you think you're going to get something out of it you're not they're getting something out of it you know it's not going to be a money maker unless there's some way for you to move it into that but it's it's just news they just want to chew you up entertainment and then you're done you know and and I I feel bad that she's just so young and they're doing that to her I hope somebody's helping her out and just talking to her and saying hey yeah we do that one and not that one start being very selective you know that would be a good choice but for parents like I said I was being a little bit tongue and cheek about the tattoo thing but I'm being very serious too when you do those surger Ines it's like something on your face it's like right there all of it everybody sees it everybody sees you you see all them and you have to feel it all the time every time you look in a mirror you're going to feel it now you're going to feel it really good you're going to love it you know but what happens when you don't love it you know and then you can't change it that's what I'm saying it's just so permanent and so right there and the other thing is is they talk about gender being um fluid they talk about non-binary they talk about these 50s something or is it 80 now genders and all this stuff so why are all the surgeries only binary and that was something I ask people all the time it's like well can I have a surgery that's non-binary well there is not one so what what's non-binary oh it's fashion oh okay so now I understand non-binary um so I can put on clothing and and be non-binary oh yeah yeah you're good uh yeah if you're a girl just wear jeans and a cowboy hat and you're non binary want know doesn't make any sense so there's just so much stuff and I know I'm I'm at the point right now and I think the whole world is getting really close to that point well I'm just tired of it I don't want to talk about this anymore I want it to be over it's just like the the end of the fourth quarter and it's a tie game and it's just everybody's tired and then everybody's crying about everything that everybody's dying and it's like I I don't I don't buy that you know I buy the thing that somebody's life is in danger if they're not able to talk to somebody so if it's a kid that's in school and they start becoming transgender at school and then the parents find out about it the parents are going to be pretty angry and the parents are going to say no I mean any parent would wouldn't they I just got tricked and my kid comes home and this is what's going on well let's just hold the hores stop right here and uh let's go talk to somebody and then that kid gets so upset that they move out they become homeless and then what happens after that so there's also a lot going on where I want parents to know that if your child does this and they do even do it behind your back it's your child you know and you can still talk to him and you can work this out you know go to some counseling you know read about the Harry Benjamin protocols read about a lot of the other stuff there's a there's hundreds of books out there that could be very very educational to people on both sides of the aisle and uh one of those books I think it was called Born in the right body uh there's a there's a bunch of books out there I could I could probably send you a list of books that are very very interesting that if you start reading these stories and these are actual stories in this one book by a whole bunch of uh transgender people who have D or transgender people who are still trans it's a it's a mixup of stories and a lot of women too feminists and anti-feminists and all kinds of people so you try to collect the information from all sides of the story read some different books don't just read the one book that you get from you know that drag queen's the library you know that book probably isn't going to be very two-sided it's going to be very one-sided book and that's a problem I don't want all these parents and I don't want all these kids to only get one side of the story and that's one of the biggest reasons it's probably the biggest reason I even came out and started speaking out yeah and I know Chloe's doing a great job and I don't do very many of these because I just want to have enough of a voice from some of the uh Elder uh trans people who have been there before and I have a little bit of a name that I just want you to know that my voice is just backing up Chloe to make sure that people listen to her and to make sure that she's taken care of the way all those other kids need to be taken care of you know listen to them find out what's going on find out why the surgery happened and who authorized it where it was going what was the diagnosis and I'll go through the entire DSM if I have to with each one of the kids to find out what was going on you know because they're missing something something is missing you know and I I just want to lend my voice right now that I am here I am not transgender by the ideology that currently exists I have what they used to call gender identity disorder and unfortunately for me it's a cross identity which causes a a lot of issues they're not problems or challenges it does help in a few different ways you know you know my fashion sense is fabulous you know I'm just kidding I just I have to have some levity here because this stuff is just so so like harsh man I just there are things that I know where I'm Different that I do think a little bit differently I don't think like a woman but I do think um and it starts tur into stereotypes if I start doing that but there are some things that I do and I and I act like that I think would be part of that cross identity type of a thing and I think if we start really looking at ourselves as humans and people start being honest with yourselves you're going to find out we all have a lot of that the only thing is is like maybe I let mine affect me a lot more for whatever reasons you know and and if you have those guys who are lifting Whits and they have the chicken legs and they're putting those giant calves in you know you have identity disorder you're just lucky it's parallel with your own you know your birth sex you know I just there's a lot we need to work on and the only way we're going to be to get through this is for people to start being honest for people to start being honest with yourselves honest with your vocabulary with the words you use and be precise with those words and into speaking to each other in in a truthful manner not your dialogue not your narrative not your agenda where you're trying to do something for yourself you know do you think I gain anything from doing this I the only thing I gain is a whole bunch of death threats yeah you know and I'm honest about that I get death threats I don't make a scent from doing any this stuff and I will never make a scent from any of this stuff because I think that would be kind of gross you know I just I'm gonna live my life and just I'll give speeches you know I give talks like your dad does but not his level holy cow but I do get invited to give speeches at corporations and I talk about diversity inclusion I talk about the SEAL Teams I give them Seal Team stories about things that I learned like the really hard way it was like this one time was like in the middle of this compound and we were going after this guy and there's a baby crib right in the middle of this like we're fighting and I ran in the middle of it and got this baby out of the crib and I was like I talk about that kind of a story then I try to relate it that every day you're walking down the street you have a chance to save somebody's life I said it might it's not going to be in a firefight and it's a baby in in a country and all the craziness that I had to deal with but every day if you start observing you're going to see people in stress you're going to see people in trouble and if you just give them a kind word if give them a smile when they go home that night they might have a little different outlook on life you know and that saved the life with a simple smile you know and I've been talking about giving people smiles and trying to help in this little way to save people's lives for years and years and I wish people would start doing that I was I was walking around Costco just the other day uh doing that pre- Christmas shopping that was just chaos but the whole day I knew it was a super stressful day day and Courtney and I were here also and we were just walking around and we made it an effort we made it an effort to greet everyone we saw if they were you know open at that and we were greeting people left and right saying Merry Christmas how you doing and just being funny and jokey with everybody and you wouldn't believe the responses we got it was like people were stopping they're shopping and just saying what's going on hi how you doing you're having a wonderful day and we just started talking and it was and that was a simple thing that we were trying to take one of the most stressful shopping days just everybody's panicking and the parking lot was chaos if people would just slow down have a smile a short conversation we maybe took 10 extra minutes out of the entire Costco run 15 minutes out of our Lives to maybe save a dozen lives because now they're not stressed they're not doing this they're not going home going we couldn't buy that Chinese rubber dog that we always wanted you know it's they're out there running around trying to consume this crap and it's like everybody's just frustrated and it's like we're just buying groceries and stuff you know and everybody's buying all this stuff you know we need to get all of our regular stuff that we can't buy on a farm or grow on a farm yeah but it's just people need to slow down people need to start having conversations you know and stop buying all that rubber junk you know the plastic junk that lasts two days and then you throw it away you know go analog if you want to really live that's I feel that I feel that I just got sent I feel like you would like this I got sent Tallow soap so it's just saponified Tallow and there's moisturizer I'll I'll shoot you over I'll tell you what the company is it's very nice but it's the same kind of it reminds me I was like this is the hippiest thing I've ever seen but it's kind of nice and we're so surrounded by like you said blue lights and social media and ideology we tried we try to make all that stuff ourselves you know we don't really need to buy that stuff yeah no that's very true that's very true okay let's see um okay so you've been going on these podcasts um who are you getting who are you getting death threats from that's horrifying that's got to be stressful no I mean it's not that stressful I I'm uh I'm kind of used to it you have experience with stress yeah well here's this thing that I see and that's why I don't really I'm not really I mean I know it'll probably happen but I don't I'm not worried about it you know I at the same time even when I came out in uh 2014 13 14 whatever it was I uh I got death threats back then and it was from the other side I mean I was I get death threats from like old military buddies you know pretty much you know saying you know if you come anywhere near me I'm gonna beat the out of you oh shoot I just cursed I'm sorry no no it's okay oh I said that word earlier God I just I don't do that normally but um I uh I just I'm not worried about it because I wear the armor of God you know and it and it can be whatever God that you pray to or you believe in or whatever I know my God and it's it's the knowledge that I'm on the right side it's the knowledge that with everything I read and all the books that I read and I stacks of books that I'm trying to go through to try to gain some insight into and a lot the Bible of course but I'm Christian so of course the Bible but I read everything else too and I good or I don't have to say good it's what are you supposed to say like hey welcome aboard hey wow we're the club but the but Christians don't gang up like that it's just hey this is what I believe and I think some of the best Christians I've ever met we don't really go to church because most of those churches are the guys in a pit are collecting too much money when they have these big houses all this other stuff that's not my kind of church my church is out there in the Woods by myself you know reading amongst the trees or one or two people and we go through lessons you know that's the church that Jesus kept talking about that we totally missed a point you know he brought us that church he gave it to us you know I don't Dar I started doing like a sermon I apologize but um the reason I don't worry about that and I worry that Armor of God is because I am I'm held fast to my beliefs I know my beliefs now I lost them for a long time I lost my way you know I felt like it was like you know in some ways I felt like kind of like s in a way then I felt a little bit like job and I felt like you know now I get the Technic color Dream Coat I I went through all of these things where I had to go through these really hardships I had to um figure some things out and I was tested greatly and uh I passed a lot of the tests there are some of those tests that I think I failed that I'm still working on and I'm trying to do better and for me to be able to even say that P's the cat back there the um for me be to say that that I am held steadfast in my beliefs and I read through there and it and it's grounded in Morality it's grounded in truth it's grounded in ethical decisions and all kinds of things you know and if you don't have that then you're a ship out in the ocean with no Ruder you know and people will make fun of Christians and they make fun of me reading the Bible you know because I do it just if I'm waiting somewhere I always have my little pocket Bible it's a motorcycle club Bible has a little motorcycle on it says biker Bible and it it's one I carried around with me for a long time and then I stopped and I wish I would have kept doing that cuz I think that's what really grounded me but I just pull it out and start reading it you know people look at me and I scoff and so like a Christians it's like they say with white people oh white people are Christians it's like why you know why can't I have my belief you know it's my belief it's my personal belief I'm not saying anything to anybody else because I'm standing there reading the Bible I'm sitting there in a waiting room reading the Bible it does nothing to you you know they just arrested some lady was it in Canada she was standing outside of an abortion saw that no I don't think that was Canada I think that was the UK oh it was UK yeah it was UK yeah but she was standing there just silently not saying a word and then they said do you know where you're standing she said yeah this is abortion clinic well what are you doing she says I'm just standing here minding my business and they were like are you praying she say yes I said well if they ask me that I pray all the time you know I pray with every breath I take you know and if you work on um there's this breathing technique that says uh the uh these deep air breathers and it's it's a really neat thing but if you think about uh the name of God in um in the old Judean way was Yahweh Every Breath You Take is speaking the words of God yahe when you're breathing you're saying the words of God oh that's that's on purpose you oh I haven't heard that before that's cool so yeah and so I purposefully breathe the name of God with every breath I take you know and and you're going to tell me that now if I go anywhere near an abortion clinic and I'm breathing they're going to arest me you know come on their person was just standing there what are they doing not threatening anybody not talking to anybody not doing just standing there so how far are they going to push this that's the question I have now I do think that that's the danger you know and that's the danger to themselves so this entire movement that's pushing so hard they're going to push it so hard and it's going to go so far that there's going to be backlash and the backlash is going to be as as much probably even more brutal than what you're doing to to everyone right now and so and I'm not it's not a threat it's just it's not even a warning it's just a study of history and when I study history you see it all the time you know you see that the oppressed become the oppressors and if you have a whole group of people right now that are policeing language that they're arresting people for standing around that they're arresting people because they they use the wrong pronoun you know who's being oppressed that every corporation around the the world every Fortune 100 company every Fortune 500 company every company around the earth has a rainbow flag and has this and rais them on the flag poles and they're having parades and everything I don't see that for Christians you know I don't see that for a lot of groups of people you know so you're not oppressed I really wish that they would stop saying they're oppressed because they can do everything that anyone can do do you think the oppression or do you think the violence that's happening is caused because you have drag queens dancing half necked in front of young kids do you think your oppression is happening because you have you know young kids like Khloe Co who had a double mass actom at like 15 or 16 years old oh and there's a there's the youngest case I've ever heard of which I'll send well I can't send you the data but it was 10 years old you know how are you doing on a 10-year-old so you know how how do you what do you think this yeah what do you think the steps are are that allows surgery to happen with kids under say 16 like what are they diagnosed with how is that like a 10-year-old you said even a 14-year-old like what happens do they say that I'm in such psychological torment that this is the only thing that's going to fix me the what they you it's a tactic that they' been using they've been using it for a long time that uh they'll tell the parent you can have uh lies son or a dead daughter and that would be for like a trans and and the the majority of this movement really going on right now are girls are little girls and so they say you can have a dead little girl or a live trans boy and that's the choice they're given and that's a false choice you know I mean talk about God it's a logic trap of it's a it's a classic logic trap you know it just doesn't make any sense it's not true but that's a choice if you have a PHD psychologist or a doctor or somebody else talking to a parent and the parents aren't trained and the parents don't know and a parents love their kid and a parents want their kid to be happy and alive if you're given that choice as a parents and you don't know what are you going to do you know and then the kids they don't really know what did you know when you're were 12 years old what' you know when you're 15 all of you parents out there all of you doctors all you adults look back when you were 15 what were you doing geez if I told you what I was doing we were out there riding pigs and being idiots and building rafts and we it was like we're kids we didn't know so to do this it's just it's appalling that this has gone this far and I keep saying the same thing and I know if you listen to all the words I said if somebody actually listens to all this they're going to be able to pick this apart and there's all kinds of hate you pick out little pieces and make me sound really horrible but I love all those kids I want them to be happy I I in the in a in a grand scheme of things the the time you're talking about for them during that two or three years of junior high and going into high school or whatever when they're going through all that we all went through it we all had those thoughts we all had it's just wild but we have to slow them down you know they're kids yeah I don't think my brain grew in like I think I could remember a switch when I was about 22 to 23 like it it wasn't even 18 it was 22 to 23 and I can remember thinking oh I I can just think long term now or I understand the repercussions of my actions right because I didn't understand I just didn't have the thought of repercussions of my actions not really um and then sometime between the age of 22 and 23 it switched over I was like oh okay I think my brain just fully grew in well I mean there there's a whole bunch of tests that you do in Psychology and one of the classic tests is a peekaboo test so there's an age and I think it's four years old is when they get rid of that one thing it's their permanence and so you know when you put you peekaboo and like when you cover your eyes up the kids are like really where'd you go because they don't and if you put an object behind something and you say where is it now they don't see it it's not there I think that last to like four years old and then there's a whole another series of things and if you study development it does it's all these little things are happening with your brain and how it's developing you know and so you're going to have a kid that's still kind of playing peekaboo and then start doing surgery around them you know it's just that's what they're talking about you know it's just it's utterly ridiculous the psychological Community I hold them responsible they could have stopped this you know and I also hold the um leadership within the lgbtq community um there's a ton of things I could talk about I could talk about the uh double X male syndrome which I think they actually erased it out of the books um it used to be a lot of data at um Dar what was that there the hospital uh Dar I'm sorry I can't remember there was a there was a huge study and it was all about the double x male syndrome and some other things but um double X it would it would have made it scientific what is that well it it has to do with there's uh phenotypes and then genotypes and then you have to do that and then when you start going into all of this it uh it it gets very confusing but it especially if I start Crossing and so and this does cross it's very common and so we have the genotype Crossing with a phenotype then you have to look at things differently and it's actually chemical and it's how they it's it's everything you know and it's actually a scientific thing that they can study but they don't want it to be science because it's science it's provable and then it's only that person because here it is provable and so they don't get to have the kind of wishy-washy feeling thing you know cuz right now this entire movement everything is based on feelings you know if you take almost the entire um lgbtq Community IIA I don't know how many more letters they've added I think they just added three or four more letters um they have the little red thing on there for sex workers now they're they're talking about adding um Maps minor Attractive people and a bunch of other stuff but and that's the problem too is they just keep expanding so the expansion of this thing is going to who knows where but um this I don't know you know but these are things that if it's only a feeling and that makes me part of this group and makes me popular I'm no longer isolated I'm no longer picked on because now we have a powerful group you know and everybody wants to be part of that team you know it's either you want to be part of the football team if you're a boy the soccer team uh the weightlifters the maybe the pot smokers the band guys you want to be part of one of of those groups if you're all by yourself it's really hard to survive you know and so you want to join a group and if you're that person that's just kind of you fit in there you're just going to join that group you know that's my group and then you're Now set and so I people just need to start studying and and I can go into that the genotypes phenotypes I think Courtney could do it way better than I could because she also studied this and she gives me a clue on some of this stuff and I study it and then I get I know about it but I'm not going to be able to dig in as deep as as an expert could but I bet you there's a lot of folks out there right now that want to look it up and I hope you do you know and I I want you to look at the science of it rather than the feeling of it you know if all I took was a feeling for me to be a Navy SEAL then what would that make us you know I couldn't become a Navy SEAL because I felt like a Navy SEAL you know it doesn't work that way you know and nothing in life works that way if I just feel like something you knows that base of the entire transgender and especially non-binary is just based on feelings and fashion you know and and I fell in that trap you know I think a lot of women are falling in that trap and I and I hope people start opening their eyes up and look at that it's a trap wow hopefully you talking about it helps some people I know um I know from like having an autoimmune disorder myself I thought it was very painful and I lost a lot of my life to that and I felt like the only way that I could make up for that without being extremely angry mostly at the medical community was to stop other people from going through the same thing so if I could help other people avoid that then I could kind of like forgive the medical community yeah for not I am very familiar with autoimmune diseases yeah do you are you suffering from anything uh not me I think uh very close uh okay it's okay Courtney was walking through descent Courtney has an autoimmune uh disease Universal Alaia Universal Alice oh my gosh yeah um you should well we don't have to get this into this on the podcast but she should give the diet I'm on a go it's not a quack diet it's what put my myself into remission and my dad um my dad had alopecia um he had alopecia yeah he had alopecia it it went away though he had it in his 30s it went away and then he had psoriasis and then gum disease and um just various autoimmune symptoms but I I know people with alopecia have put themselves into remission talk about somebody who has who has lived a life if you have alip Universal you lose all your hair and I think that happened to her she was 14 or 15 years old so going right through the middle of like the most turmoil like the craziest time and uh talk about somebody who strong though somebody who is strong of spirit and character and everything else like live a life like that when you're a kid like that and she's had it the whole time now so decades and decades and just everything and you know when you have something like that a lot of other things happen so and like I said everyone suffers you know just stop fing on you know lot a lot yeah it's amazing how much people can suffer and and you don't know they just show up and keep doing their people thing but yeah I I like that trying to make people smile if you give if you want have a great conversation though get Courtney back on here cuz she the women in gender studies and the cult stuff and and her alip and a bunch of other stuff she just has so much that she could offer that I think you'd get a real kick out of oh that sounds like fun why why did you decide to detransition um was there something that happened no there was there was nothing well part of it was I started loving myself I started really digging in and understanding the concept Understanding Psychology like I said I started going from a master's degree in mental health counseling and uh I learned so much and there's no way that anybody could learn what you need to know about psychology or counseling or mental health or anything if you don't take those courses and barely anybody can take all those courses you know or read all those books and really dig into it so and that's why we have to rely on PE experts but uh I didn't have that chance at the the V at the VA the um the mental health counseling and and psychology departments at the VA are just it's not good and so if you're looking for help and for me I'm living on my retirement and I don't have a lot so I'm not going to be able to go hire somebody or do anything you know so I just started doing it myself and that's one of the big reasons why I started going into the course I wanted to heal myself you know I was tired of of everything just seemed bad I had pretty bad PTSD traumatic brain injury from a lot of explosions and then um I had other stuff going on I also had uh opioid uh issue for a while there because they were pushing those things on so bad and once you start doing them you you do enough of them that you're going to get stuck you know it's a it's it's one of those it's one of those things that if you if you take some of it and you keep doing it you're going to get stuck you're you're done you know it's a terrible terrible drug so I had to heal myself and then so I was doing that and right in the middle of that I met Courtney and uh for the first time in my life I truly fell in love I uh I found someone who loved me and I loved her like 100% like holy it was um I never had that before you know and I'll tell people who I was with before that I loved them you know but it wasn't it wasn't the same it wasn't like that there was something missing and I think what was missing was that I wasn't healed myself what was missing that I didn't love myself you know and if you can't love yourself how you expect to love somebody else and so in my healing through me going through these schools and all these courses and reading all these books and then also me meeting you know starting to love myself and then meeting someone else who was actually truly able to fall in love with you know really started clicking in and so that's been a couple of years now and then um if anybody knows noticed I've been wearing flannel shirts All Summer in 90° weather because I was trying to cover myself up and just kind of hide and haven't worn makeup for a long time you know or anything you know and then I like I was just at the point where it was like a a purge like beyond belief it was like if anything even looked even slightly feminine I would just throw it away or burn it cuz I just it didn't disgust me but it made me remember my old self who was just it was wrong you know it made me remember the pitfalls I fell into about the self-hatred and the self-loathing you know it made me fall in a pitfall about about uh esteem you know lack of esteem or uh even ego comes into it where uh you have to be pretty egotistical to think that you could do something better than somebody was born the way they were born you know what I'm saying so there's all these things that had overcome and I did that uh slowly with Courtney's help I was able to do it you know much faster than I probably could have on my own I I probably could have ever completed on my own because it's very arduous you know it's it's you looking deep inside of yourself and like really asking yourself the hard questions like all the questions you've asked me are all like yeah you know I asked myself some really hard questions you know questions I probably could never repeat on the air you know I might in person if it's just personal but the um there's things that you have to dig through and really really dig and then you will start learning where you are and you'll start learning who you are and then you'll start falling in love with yourself you know and I'm not saying that it's it sounds weird but the way I see it is if I can look in a mirror when I wake up in the morning and this is another thing I talk about when I'm giving speeches is that how many of youall looking at mirror when you're brushing your teeth or shaving or whatever putting on your makeup you know actually really look at yourself and just say hey you're a great person I love you how many people do that you know I can do that now you know I wasn't able to do that for a long time myself I do that now all the time wow I say thank you to myself you know I I bless myself I say hey I'm grateful I'm I'm blessed you know I'm doing great you know if I see A Mir I say hey you're cool you know it just it's a we have to talk positive about ourselves we have to start seeing ourselves as good people as a as a beautiful person as a loving person and love yourself if you don't have gratitude for yourself you know you're you're not going to get very far you know and so and that was all the things I had to learn on my own and then finally with help you know and and I'm grateful that I had somebody that could help me like that I think a lot of people are missing that but if you just like when walking around Costco I talked about a little earlier we were walking around just being friendly and just talking to people and it was like we just made a whole bunch of friends like in one day just walking around talking to people you know if you change your attitude you might find people changing their attitude back towards you you know and I think that's probably a really big lesson for a lot of folks that have that self-loathing or have that doubt about themselves or they have a self-esteem problem you know you have to start with yourself first you know every's going to look at you the way you look at yourself so change the way you look at yourself look in that mirror and tell yourself how cool you are how beautiful you are how much you love yourself and then that's gonna affect you it's gonna it's gonna stick on you and now when you walk out the front door you're going to find people treating you you differently and when that starts happening your outlook is going to change and your life will change Chris Beck you are a beautiful person that was that was really nice no that was really nice it's like I don't talk to I talk to a lot of people but I don't talk to many people that are just I don't like the word nice exactly uh it's kind of I think it's kind of empty but like kind just looking to make you know limit suffering everywhere because people are already suffer enough there doesn't need to be any added suffering that was really nice um can I can I direct anybody anywhere do you have social media do you want people to go read something I want I want everybody to look at the DAT in Sweden I want you look at the Swedish um the gender J curve you can type in any of those things that it's going to come up and you'll see some studies from Pink news but who writes pink news you'll see some studies from a lot of places that poo poo the D and say it's all wrong but look at who wrote those things and then look at some of the scientific journals and look at some of the and the same thing goes the other way I can say look at a bunch of the Christian articles about transgender stuff and you're going to see the same thing there's propaganda from both sides I'm not saying that Christians are being propaganda but I am saying that there is propaganda I want you to be aware of the propaganda so what you have to do is you have to research it on your own you know look that up you know and look up the um the double x male syndrome look up uh gender dysphoria gender identity disorder rather than transgender you know and just open your minds you know I don't I'm fine you know I'm I'm gonna be okay I don't want anybody to follow me or do anything or I don't I don't it doesn't matter if you want to follow somebody follow Khloe Cole you know I think she's doing a really good job and she's incredibly Brave you know and I want her to do well she's had a really rough life and uh I want her to to do really well from now you know I want her to she always talks about you know meeting someone and possibly having a family and you know bless her you know and I hope she finds that kind of happiness you know that's all I want people to do is it's almost like the Pay It Forward thing you know but don't give me anything you know except your death threats if you really need to you know but um don't and even that I just answer him I say hey thanks a lot you know I get a lot of those that's the most infuriating response you could give them but it's um not I didn't do that to infuriate them and just like hey you know thank you at least they're getting anger out I want them to get the anger out on me if they have to kill somebody please do it you know come on because I don't want them to do it to Chloe I don't want them to do it to these kids or somebody that doesn't deserve it you know and I've already been through the war and I've already I have a lot of scars you know and um I doesn't matter to me you know but Chloe doesn't deserve that and all those kids don't deserve that so if you want to do something you know smile at somebody give some kind words you know and just be nice you know and look at it from both sides please all of y'all on the right and the left look at both sides you know don't believe the propaganda I don't care who you're listening to on both sides you're both listening to propaganda you know just look at both sides and see what's going on for real and then that's about it that sounds good thank you very much for joining me yeah thank you it was wonderful [Music]

Gender Dysphoria And Gender Identity Disorder

Chris’s Message On The Tucker Carlson Appearance

Underlying Reasons That Can Contribute to Gender Dysphoria

The Problem With Diversity

Sweden's Response To The Spike In Gender Dysphoria

The Problems With The Transition Guidelines

The Importance Of Communication For Mental Health

Advice To Kids With Gender Dysphoria

Advice To Parents

How Chris Gets His Message Across And The Feedback He’s Getting

Staying Grounded As A Christian

The Backlash From Forced Agendas

The Real Victims Of The Trans Agenda

The “Double X Male Syndrome”

Why Chris Detransitioned

The Importance Of Self Love