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Conversation Tricks From An FBI Negotiation Trainer

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I sat down today with Mark Goulston to discuss all things mental health-related. We got into the ins and outs of dealing with depression, his own techniques and tips on how to cope, and the Michelangelo Mindset.

Mark Goulston is the Creator/Co-founder of Michelangelo Mindset, exec coach, best-selling author of nine books, and host of My Wakeup Call Podcast. He was originally a UCLA professor of psychiatry for over 25 years, and a former FBI and police hostage negotiation trainer.

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Show Notes
[00:00] Intro
[04:58] Surgical empathy
[10:33] The Michelangelo Mindset
[12:28] Mikhaila’s experience with depression and suicidal thoughts.
[14:22] Teen mental health webinar and the Tell My Story documentary about youth mental health and suicide prevention.
[19:05] The steps of the Michelangelo Mindset
[22:14] What to do if your start-up pitch flops
[27:09] What you want to create in a conversation with other people.
[28:00] Steve Jobs Xerox story
[31:32] What you can do to get that type of reaction
[32:09] Creating bestselling book titles
[34:45] Wisdom on never getting taken advantage of and Mark’s experience with the OJ Simpson trial.
[47:46] A tactic against bullies
[46:00] Mark’s own story of depression
[56:35] Mark’s interview with Jordan B. Peterson

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