I’ll start with a quick overview:

Unsaturated fats:

  • Monounsaturated fatty acids have one double bond and polyunsaturated fatty acids have two or more double bonds.
  • Foods like vegetable oils are high in polyunsaturated fats.
  • Unsaturated fats will be liquid at room temperature because of the double bonds in the carbon chain.

Saturated fats:

  • Saturated fatty acids have no double bonds in their molecular structure.
  • Food like animal fats are high in saturated fats.
  • Saturated fats will be solid at room temperature because there are more hydrogens in the carbon chains.

The medical community is switching over on their view of saturated fats. Right now they seem to be slowly being viewed as healthy. That’s great! It’s slow though, and most medical institutions still tell you saturated fats cause heart disease.

How did the view that a low-fat diet prevented heart disease begin? 

One guy who didn’t do his studies properly. Story of modern medicine. Ancel Benjamin Keys was an American physiologist in the 1950’s. He was the one who postulated that saturated fat caused high cholesterol and that high cholesterol caused heart disease. He did a study (The Seven Countries Study) that looked at a number of different countries, and then chose the countries where there was an increased risk of heart disease and a diet high in saturated fats. Then he wrote a paper and told everyone that it was the saturated fats causing the heart disease, ignoring the countries where the information didn’t work. Chile had high rates of heart disease and diets low in saturated fat. And Holland and Norway had low rates of heart disease and diets high in saturated fat. Those countries were left out. This led to the conclusion that unsaturated fats were healthier than saturated fats and that’s when everyone started eating margarine over butter, and the war on meat really began.

Here’s a YouTube video that probably does a better job than I did explaining it.

Here’s a good article also explaining it better than I. And here’s some more information.

My “beef, salt, and water” diet is incredibly high in saturated fats (animal meat will also have some mono and polyunsaturated fats, but not nearly the majority). I’m getting about 80 percent of my calories from mostly saturated fat. Don’t be afraid of saturated fats!!! It’s outdated, and the original information was based on lies.

87 Comments

  1. Herb on August 15, 2018 at 9:04 am

    Funny how Ancel Keys misread his findings and created a generation of fat people. We are all different…personally I have eggs and olive oil every day for breakfast and work in coconut oil and other fats when I can. But then I eat this way for different reasons than you do.

  2. fabian on August 15, 2018 at 9:31 am

    Also ALL animals in nature are in constant ketosis, there is no animal in nature that runs on carbohydrates!

    even cows convert grass into fatty acids!!

  3. fabian on August 15, 2018 at 10:03 am

    Low Fat HIgh Carb diets were also used in history to keep people weak and control them, it creates a lot of mental problems as well due to a lack of cholesterol etc.

    • Samuel on August 15, 2018 at 10:09 am

      Wow, that’s interesting! Any name or book to read more about keeping people weak and controlling them?

      • fabian on August 15, 2018 at 10:18 am

        Do some research on it, the rabbit hole about our true natural diet (raw meat) goes very deep

  4. Adam on August 15, 2018 at 10:33 am

    Hey Mikhaila,

    Do you get 80% of your calories from fat from just eating ribeyes? Do you add a side of fat?

    • Adam on August 15, 2018 at 10:44 am

      If i’m eating 3 fatty steaks a day, am I getting enough fat to fuel my body? I feel lethargic all the time.

      • fabian on August 15, 2018 at 11:02 am

        Must be something else going on, what else are you eating/drinking and for how long?

      • Mikhaila on August 15, 2018 at 11:07 am

        How long have you been doing it for? The first month can be hard. Make sure you’re eating enough salt (oversalt if anything!), and how many pounds of meat are you eating a day? What’s your height?

        • Adam on August 15, 2018 at 11:23 am

          What I consume daily…

          Vitamins/supplements:
          – Multi-vitamin (gluten, soy etc. free)
          – Vitamin B-complex
          – fish oil
          – 5 HTP
          – Bulletproof coconunt oil
          – Vitamin D
          – 40mg Cipralex
          – 125mg Wellbutrin
          – collagen powder (for gut health/repair)

          Meals:
          – Fatty steak (at least 12 ounces), dosed pretty heavily with Himalayan salt. Side of spinach/lettuce salad dosed in salt and olive oil (sometimes, other times just the steak)
          – 2-3 ground beef burger patties, heavy salt, dosed in olive oil

          I also fry excess beef fat from butcher to eat as a side. Still depressed, still lethargic. Not going to lie, I’ve been on and off for about a 5-6 weeks. I sometimes cave and eat the occasional avocado, carrots, cucumber, or even peach to add sustenance because I can’t function day to day with no energy. I always end up giving up and cheating with aforementioned foods. It’s extremely debilitating seeing no improvements a couple weeks in to essentially all beef diet. When i started the diet I was going by the original less restrictive meal plan that included a variety of meat and greens. I think I may have to venture back to that, but I still remember being lethargic then.

          • Adam on August 15, 2018 at 11:32 am

            I’m also BBQing all my meat. Am I losing all the fat that way?



          • Jeroen on August 15, 2018 at 3:39 pm

            If you’re searing your meat quickly, you don’t lose the fat. If you’re broiling it slowly, you’re left with a slab of protein concentrate with a little fatty water on the side.

            I don’t add salt myself, as I can’t stand heavily salted foods. Comes from growing up with a father with severe kidney problems which caused the entire family to be on a strict low-sodium diet.

            I do eat pork sausages several times a week though, which are pretty salty but frying them in the oven leeches a lot of the salt (and part of the fat) out of them, making them palatable for me.

            And I use quite a lot of cheese in my cooking, which also brings in salt.



      • teedee126 on August 15, 2018 at 11:08 am

        Are you getting enough salt? Lack of sodium can really affect energy levels.

        • Adam on August 15, 2018 at 11:50 am

          Possibly. I don’t measure it. I just sprinkle it on my steak and beef. I did get a bloodtest and a negative result was that I was very dehydrated. Though I usually make sure I drink lots of water a day.

    • Mikhaila on August 15, 2018 at 11:02 am

      I eat ribs normally, which are a bit higher in fat. And I eat a lot of ground beef with added tallow. Ribeye I believe is about 70 percent

      • Adam on August 15, 2018 at 11:08 am

        I’m not sure if you’ve ever shared a meal plan of what a typical day for you looks like (at least I don’t remember seeing one). Might be something to consider; I’d be interested to know.

      • toni on August 15, 2018 at 1:33 pm

        could you please share what a regular weekly meal plan looks like for you.
        Why don’t you eat eggs.

        • fabian on August 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm

          Toni do you not know whats up?? She simply eats beef and salt 2 times a day, as much as she wants.

          no eggs because she cannot tolerate any food except beef.

          same with her dad, and a lot of other people too.

  5. Keenan Burton on August 15, 2018 at 10:54 am

    To get extra saturated fat, especially early in the morning to get going, the only thing I have added to my beef/salmon/water diet is bullitproof coffee, which has 20g of saturated fat (from both ghee and coconut oil). The ghee has the casein and lactose removed.

  6. Annlee on August 15, 2018 at 11:11 am

    Phinney and Volek documented the fatty acid breakdown in The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance. in Chapter 8 (fats) are two tables – plant fat and animal fat breakdowns. I can’t add the images to this comment, but 80/20 ground beef is 3/52/45% PUFA/MUFA/SFA. For those who want to dig a little more, I recommend the USDA Nutritional Analysis Lab database – https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search As Amber (@Ketocarnivore) has documented, it’s not perfect. But it’s the best I’ve found.

  7. Ville Raatikainen on August 15, 2018 at 11:31 am

    Hey Mikhaila!

    I finally had the guts to do the diet and I’ve been on it for around 70 days. Myositis gone, depression gone (although apathy still exists, but I think that’s due to fatigue), anxiety gone, constant palpitation gone, bloating & most GI issues gone, cognition improved. I’m so grateful that you set me on this path. My health was really bad and it would have only been getting worse. Thank you.

    So it’s quite clear that I’ve eliminated all the problematic foods now, considering my progress. But I still struggle with occasional nausea/diarrhea (usually in the evenings), fatigue, brain fog, sleep issues (I keep waking up all the time and my sleep feels really light), my eyes & throat are REALLY dry, I still have eye-floaters and I just generally don’t feel that great.

    Now this could be due to some die-off (even though it’s been so long), but I honestly suspect that it’s the cooked meat that’s doing this. Occasionally I’ve been eating blue-rare steaks (seared sides) and they agree with me more. It doesn’t feel forced to eat relatively raw meat, like cooked meat does. Cooked fat also once made me feel reeeaaallly nauseous but I’ve never had that same feeling from blue-rare. But steaks, as you know, are expensive and I can’t afford it. 90% of my diet for the past 1 month or so has been cooked ground beef. Also sometimes after eating I’ve noticed that I don’t feel well at all for a while.

    So I’m thinking of going 100% raw. As I can’t afford steaks my only way to go raw is to eat ground beef. There is a ‘provider’ that only feeds the cows grass, let them roam free and they cut their meat by hand (not sure on ground beef though).
    So so so many people on this diet seem to be doing it raw and claim that it’s the way to go. They have apparently never got issues, even from commercial ground beef, yet I’m still quite scared of the possibility of the EHEC-pathogen.

    What’s your opinion on the raw meat diet? How well do you cook your meat? Do you consider EHEC a real threat? Because the anecdotes really make it seem like there isn’t a threat.

    Thanks!!!

    • fabian on August 15, 2018 at 11:59 am

      Raw meat is the most natural food for us. your body will thank you for it!

      just make sure you get your meat from a trusted source!

      • Ville Raatikainen on August 16, 2018 at 5:21 pm

        @fabian
        Cheers for the reply. I did it. First day raw ever. It still tastes quite bland but I eat it without any effort (not like cooked) and I get no weird symptoms right after eating. Good signs!

  8. Mountains and molehills on August 15, 2018 at 12:11 pm

    Mikhaila did you used to get PMS before this diet?

  9. Chuck Miller on August 15, 2018 at 1:30 pm

    For those who want a lot more in depth look at this I highly recommend the book The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living by Volek and Phinney. They cover a lot of this same history, both the history of the bad science and the history of the way ancient humans actually lived. They go into the biophysiology in such detail it feels like a school textbook. Anyway, suffice to say the science is totally there for anyone open to understanding it.

  10. Jeroen on August 15, 2018 at 3:32 pm

    A very important reason the “fat is bad” mantra went into overdrive was the need after WW2 to find markets for the massive amounts of grain and corn being produced by US farmers.
    During the war farmers had received huge subsidies to convert their farms to grow grain, and many had done so, in order to feed the military.
    In Britain grain and potatoes served the same purpose.

    After the war, this threatened to lead to mass surpluses in those products, and a collapse of the agricultural sector.
    The governments found this to be something that needed to be prevented at all cost, “we will never have hunger again” was the mantra throughout Europe.

    Governments came up with the “food pyramid” (and similar in other countries, all with the same advise) that taught people a “proper diet” consisted of mostly grains and potatoes, with on top of that small amounts of vegetables and even smaller amounts of meat and dairy (which are more labour intensive to produce, so in wartime tend to be scaled back in favour of mass producing grains, grains also being much easier to store long term).

    To give the “food pyramid” credibility, medical and scientific “experts” were brought in to make sweeping statements, making overly broad generalisations from “studies” that were nothing of the kind.

    Over the decades, as farming subsidies shifted between sectors, categories on the “food pyramid” have shifted in size as well, with for example fruit becoming more prevalent as orchards matured and excess production there became a real possibility.
    Dairy too in some countries was given ever greater importance in the 1980s and early ’90s as the EU looked to become flooded in the “milk lake” and “butter mountain”. This was eventually stopped by environmentalists managing to impose strict limits on the size of dairy herds to reduce the amount of manure released into the environment, and dairy became once again villified (coinciding with the hype around lactose intolerance which nobody in Europe had heard of except a minute number of people actually suffering from it until the mid 1990s).

  11. Kristina on August 15, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    So glad I subscribe. If there is any interest in the high carb low fat thing (for information and historical significance) there was a diet/exercise fad from the late 90s which I followed called “body for life” required so much eating – I would eat 5 huge meals (mainly with brown rice) plus 3 protein shakes, work out hard 6x per week, could never drink booze… thinking back, not only is meat+fat+low carb (or none) is so much less time consuming and life consuming. I feel just as good and am just as thin on the meat diet as I was with the other but on meat and no carbs I have no gas or bloating, unpainful periods, easy bowels, easy time cooking… thanks again for this info. It was a good reminder how much better this diet is.

  12. Rose on August 16, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    The ancel keys story is misunderstood but many, please read Denise Minger’s post: https://deniseminger.com/2011/12/22/the-truth-about-ancel-keys-weve-all-got-it-wrong/

    • Mikhaila on August 16, 2018 at 1:31 pm

      Hnmmm interesting. I will look into that when I have more time later today, thanks for the link. Don’t want to spread any misinformation!

  13. TeeDee on August 16, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    I just finished reading it and anyone interested should do the same, but it in ‘no way’ changed my present beliefs about fat, heart disease or whether my body can process and tolerate plant-based foods. If anything, it strengthened my belief that epidemiological studies are often worse than useless and Keyes was unethical, but perhaps didn’t outright lie as Minger points out. (whoop-di-doo). I appreciate her comments and analysis, I truly do, but I actually see the results of Key’s ‘findings’ as even more egregious than before. The FAO statistics he relied on were ridiculously inaccurate as they showed “available” food vs. “food actually consumed!” In addition, I personally feel it was a huge mistake to lump meats and dairy products (and their fats) together, but that’s just me.

    • Mikhaila on August 16, 2018 at 2:10 pm

      Same here. Dairy and meat are not the same AT ALL.

  14. Vister on August 16, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    Hi! 🙂 Ancel Benjamin Keys may have done a bad job with the study. But here’s a study of 2 million participants. Which indicates that low density lipoproteins cause atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease. Hope this may be of interest.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28444290/

  15. Herb on August 16, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    Only when mixed with sugars

  16. teedee126 on August 16, 2018 at 8:17 pm

    For anyone interested, here is an article about what one person believes is causing the majority of autoimmune diseases. He has been through his own personal hell and this is his theory:https://ggenereux.blog/2016/04/22/ending-the-mystery-of-auto-immune/
    I’ve only just found his site today and have a lot more to read, but so far, I think I’m on the right path with meat and water if his ideas are correct. He also has a free e-book or two for download which describes his journey.

  17. fabian on August 18, 2018 at 10:11 am

    Mikhaila, could meat wrapped in butcher paper cause a reaction? or is butcher paper fine?

    • Mikhaila on August 18, 2018 at 11:08 am

      I haven’t had a reaction to butcher paper so I wouldn’t worry about it!

      • fabian on August 18, 2018 at 12:53 pm

        Ok 🙂

  18. Gasem on August 18, 2018 at 10:35 am

    I think largely the reason the “low fat”, low protein diet became dominant is because you can make money off it. It’s easy to become an “expert” just echo what every other swinging potato is quacking and add your own little twist and voila’ you’re an expert. It’s also how vitamins and supplements work. If 500mg of vit C is already too much, hells bells daddyo lets add another 3 grams and make it really too much! And then make 3gm into a religion. But wait Rose Hips vit C yea that’s the ticket! If you cut out most protein and fat you have to get your calories from somewhere and damn those cookies and cereals sure taste good and have a very high profit margin no mater the hell is causes to your biochemistry.

    The medical establishment did it’s part as well pushing the party line and giving credence to the refrain. Part of the problem once something becomes common wisdom it’s 50 years till a better truth can break through because you have 30 years of practitioners who were taught the old way. But in the diet game there were always outliers. JH Salisbury MD invented the Salisbury steak and ate it 3 times a day and fed it to his patients who recovered from many maladies eating beef 3 times a day. Atkins pushed a high fat high protein ketotic diet and was roundly criticized etc. My experience is protein and fat is curative. My opinion is all healing comes from protein because the body is made from protein. Bones are calcified protein, immunity is protein, hematology is protein, organs are protein, hormones for the most part are amino acid chains, brain is fat and protein, muscles are protein skin is protein reproduction is protein and so on and so on and scooby dooby dooby. Nothing in you is sugar except for a dab in the blood and some stored as glycogen so you can run away from a tiger. I worked in a burn unit and if the patient was not peeing out nitrogen (from the excessive protein we fed him/her) his prognosis was RIP. We also fed them lipids to get them enough energy to mend. I think we are just now getting to the point of understanding the role protein and fat play in healing. In my opinion most of the common the diabetes hypertension heart disease strokes obesity metabolic syndrome are a consequence of living in a sea of grains vegetables and fruits processed in ways to give you the biggest buzz when you consume. The buzz is what you pay for. Look up the wiki on James Salisbury and prepare to have your mind blown

  19. Aleks on August 18, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    Mikhaila, your claims can work to improve your unique health issues, but are definitely bad for the general population. In particular, your high saturated fat diet will speed up atherosclerosis and catch up to you in terms of degenerative diseases and in particular cardiac health.

    This might work for you in medium term (1-2 decades) but you are truly spreading quite a lot of misinformation. The science that points to the negative effects of saturated fats at this point is so abundant that it is quite foolish to utterly ignore it in the way you are doing. We do have multiple epidemiological studies and overviews that have confirmed how high saturated fat diets worsen degenerative diseases and cardiac health (the Inuit are the only population that saw overall health improving transitioning from mostly meat-diet to a Standard American Diet!). But most importantly, we have a lot of data from mechanicistic models, in vitro studies, RCT and genetic studies that all confirm what medical science conjectured since the 70s about the problems associated with saturated fats and meat – especially processed.

    There are so many overviews and data it’s hard to know where to start.
    Read the other links other people have posted, but start with these very basic overviews:
    Faq The World Heath Organization on carcinogenicity of meat:
    http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

    (This evidence was piling up for 20 years in one single direction and eventually even the WHO had to acknowledge it!!)

    Please take a look at this faq from the American Heart Association:
    http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/HealthyEating/Nutrition/Frequently-Asked-Questions-About-Saturated-Fats_UCM_463756_Article.jsp?appName=MobileApp

    To claim that your personal anecdotal experience on a very short term personal health state should count more than 60 years of research all over the world from countless doctors and researchers is a bit ridiculous, sorry.

    • Mikhaila on August 18, 2018 at 8:28 pm

      …. Really? The American Heart Association is what you’re using for evidence? Look at the scientific studies. I’ve already linked to them in different posts. You can look at it yourself. Don’t quote an FAQ board… That’s not science..

      • Aleks on August 20, 2018 at 3:45 pm

        Well, you are questioning one of the sources but not the content of it. The content is: saturated fats unequivocally raise LDL, which is the biggest proxy of cardiac degenerative disease (in fact LDL mechanicistically causes heart disease by damaging the endothelium of the arteries). Heart disease is America’s number one killer winning over cancer. On top of that, we know how meat causes cancer in all models – I linked a WHO page that links to more than 140 studies confirming that. Do of this information what you like, these are not illnesses that occur over night. Good luck!

    • teedee126 on August 18, 2018 at 9:00 pm

      The American Heart Association gets big bucks from Bayer and the Soy Producers/Big Agriculture. They have serious conflicts of interest and deserve no respect whatsoever. Follow the money and you’ll see.

    • Jeroen on August 19, 2018 at 2:06 pm

      The American heart association is as trustworthy as the American Diabetes Association (or whatever their name) who prescribe a HIGH CARB diet to diabetics, and then tell them to just inject more insulin and other meds to compensate, when a strict LOW CARB diet can for a lot of diabetics mean a life without insulin injections and other meds.
      But look at their main sponsor list, and you will find big pharmaceutical companies, companies selling insulin and other diabetes medication…

  20. fabian on August 19, 2018 at 5:38 am

    I’m seeing improvements in my depression and fatigue, but i’m still far from OK, it’s day 19 only beef and water now, is it possible it will take me 30 days to feel normal again?

    • teedee126 on August 19, 2018 at 6:49 am

      That’s what the majority of people who are carnivores say, Fabian. It can take weeks or months for certain issues to clear up. Try not to stress about the timeline as it will only make things harder. I spent the first 6 weeks on carnivore only sleeping 2-3 hrs per night and am only now starting to get about 4-5 hrs at week 7, but it’s progress. There were times in the beginning I wondered how I could go on with just a couple of hours sleep, but I’m so happy I got through that rough patch and am feeling stronger and better than ever after years of dealing with Major Depressive Disorder and Panic Disorder w/agoraphobia.
      Hang in there and keep finding things to do that make you feel good and think about all the things you have to be grateful for: food, water, shelter, social media/internet, entertainment sources, the love of one or two special family members or friends, etc. Take care.

      • fabian on August 19, 2018 at 6:59 am

        Thx, i’m sticking with it for sure, it’s just that i expected a more gradual improvement, i long for the day where i will wake up and feel normal again.

        I know what made me feel good before i got sick, but with this depression i cannot feel good whatever i am doing.

    • Mikhaila on August 19, 2018 at 11:34 am

      Yeah it’s slow. I noticed a huge improvement after 3 months. Which is strange. I’d say around day 25 you’ll feel quite a bit better. But it did take a while for me too.

      • fabian on August 19, 2018 at 1:29 pm

        3 months? :O i thought your reactions usually took only a month to clear up?

        • Mikhaila on August 19, 2018 at 1:44 pm

          I felt a lot better after a month (the autoimmune issues all cleared up). My mood was stable. But it got better again after about 3 months and instead of just being stable I got happy!

          • fabian on August 19, 2018 at 2:03 pm

            Ok that makes sense!

            Have you tried introducing Raw eggyolks in the past? i might have to try it out someday when i’m better because meat is pretty expensive, but i won’t take the risk right now!



  21. teedee126 on August 19, 2018 at 8:56 am

    That’s the classic sign when we’re very depressed; nothing gives us pleasure. I hope you continue to see improvements and will feel ‘normal’ again in the next few days or weeks. Stick to the meat and water protocol and get out in nature if you can and I’m sure you’ll see the light at the end of the tunnel any day now.

    • fabian on August 19, 2018 at 9:45 am

      thx, i just need to be patient yes.

  22. @lgpriolli on August 19, 2018 at 8:11 pm

    Outstanding, Mikhaila! I have been following a carnivore diet since I heard about it from Jordan on Joe Rogan podcast (36 days now). Lost about 5kg/11pounds of excess bodyfat.
    It helped me discover I am allergic to milk and rice (two things I had been consuming my whole life).
    What you do is admirable, cheers from Brazil!

  23. Kelly on August 20, 2018 at 1:11 pm

    I was wondering if you know of any evidence/studies for the effects on the environment from eating meat. I love eating meat, but a cousin of mine is vegetarian and he claims that the effects on the environment (in the farming of animals etc.) is extremely bad. I asked if there were studies to back this up and of course he said “oh yes, many!”
    But I’m skeptical. Of course I would never be a vegetarian. I just wondered if anyone has some insights on this ..?

    • Joel on August 20, 2018 at 4:04 pm

      I recently read this: http://quillette.com/2018/04/05/case-sustainable-meat/

      It uses the term “AMPAG” – anti meat posing as green – and criticises some of the bigger and more frequently made claims against meat production as damaging to the environment.

      • Kelly on August 21, 2018 at 2:26 pm

        Thanks Joel, for sending this! It is a very interesting article.

    • Harold on August 24, 2018 at 8:19 pm

      On the contrary Allan Savorys work has demonstably shown that livestock are necessary to protect grasslands. Fossil fuels aren’t the biggest driver of climate change, it’s desertification of grasslands. https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI

  24. fabian on August 20, 2018 at 7:47 pm

    Do you think cow blood and organs would also be safe to consume?

    • Mikhaila on August 20, 2018 at 8:16 pm

      I would assume so yes

      • fabian on August 21, 2018 at 4:16 am

        ok 🙂 ground beef has also never been a problem? it could save me some money!

  25. fabian on August 21, 2018 at 7:22 am

    Oh and should i be worried about small particles of non-gluten getting onto my food?

    like i recently cut up a whole chuck roll but there might have been some residue of tobacco on my hands because i rolled cigarettes before that, of course i still washed my hands but there could have been residue stuck between my nails or something, i guess even if that got onto the meat it wouldn’t cause a 30 month horrible reaction i think?

    • Mikhaila on August 21, 2018 at 9:38 am

      Yeah I wouldn’t worry about that as much. But reacting to smoking is definitely a concern, so try to give that up when you can!

      • fabian on August 21, 2018 at 9:48 am

        Ok, i guess i am being overly paranoid about these minute things, or like accidently eating a miniscule piece of plastic or foam from the packaging.

        I will definitely give up smoking when i start feeling stable again, it’s day 21 now and i haven’t been depressed or suicidal for days now but i still have anxiety/paranoia/uneasyness like i just can’t ever feel comfortable and massive brain fog

        • Mikhaila on August 21, 2018 at 10:05 am

          Ditch the smoking!! It’s probably what’s doing it. If you don’t feel quite a bit better mood wise next week definitely look at the smoking

          • fabian on August 21, 2018 at 10:20 am

            Yeah i will! even before smoking i felt this way, since i ditched all foods but meat it’s getting better, i will definitely drop the smoking if i’m still not functional at day 30.

            but it would be easier to quit if i didn’t feel so bad all the time, that’s why i’m kinda waiting it out



          • Mikhaila on August 21, 2018 at 10:28 am

            Yeah fair enough. Hopefully it’ll get easier and then you can quit. But if it doesn’t, it’s probably the smoking so don’t give up!



          • fabian on August 21, 2018 at 10:40 am

            Yeah that’s what i hope 🙂

            it’s already a big difference though, i’d say i’m at a 5/10 whereas 20 days ago it was 0/10. with 10/10 being normal again like before i got sick.

            I wonder, do you use lipstick or makeup? do these pose dangers for reactions? not that i use these because i’m a guy but i kissed a friend on the cheeck as a way of greeting and i started to wonder if i should avoid that if they wear makeup



        • teedee126 on August 21, 2018 at 7:06 pm

          Hi Fabian, as you’ve likely heard already, exercise is the best anti-depressant there is, for moderate depression, at least. Are you getting out for some brisk walks and such? We don’t have to do anything too strenuous since that can stress the body somewhat, but hopefully, you’re keeping up with some exercise every day to treat the depression. It’ll also help keep your lungs strong to fight off the effects of the smoking. Better to do the big things right (like diet, exercise and sleep) than obsess too much over the tiny things right now. You’re coming along well by the sounds of it though, so keep it up and stay strong! 🙂

          • Herb on August 21, 2018 at 7:25 pm

            I run 3 1/2 miles a day and am addicted. I couldn’t agree more,



          • fabian on August 22, 2018 at 6:22 am

            teedee126 thank you for the tips, but there is a difference between emotional sadness and full blown auto immunity induced nightmare depression, it’s a shame people often throw them in the same pot, but if you have never been this sick yourself i can understand it might be hard to relate.

            thx though!



          • teedee126 on August 22, 2018 at 9:56 am

            I can relate all too well, Fabian. I started having problems with suicidal depression at 14 and everything was tried with me, including electro-convulsive therapy in my 40’s (the very last option available to psychiatrists). I’m 61 now and have learned a fair bit about what works and what doesn’t work for me, but of course, as much as we’re all the same in many ways, we differ in what works for us. Take care and all the best.



  26. Kanika Sharma on August 21, 2018 at 9:55 am

    I was wondering if you had any recommendations for what I can do to increase saturated fats in my diet if I don’t eat meat. Since I am Indian I don’t have a primarily carnivorous diet, and I think as a result of that when I tried to eat some meats frequently, my stomach did not react well to it. It messed up my whole system and I had stomach aches for weeks. I have two autoimmune disorders, both of which have been in remission for a year now thanks to a great deal of change in diet and exercise, and a lot of medication of course (Crohn’s and lichen planus).
    However, I still struggle with every day energy levels, constant burning in my stomach and oesophagus, lethargy. I was a little depressed but seem to have managed that decently so far.
    I am not, however, intolerant to gluten, so I don’t understand if eliminating carbs from my diet will be beneficial to me. (I was gluten free for some time but that left me with even less energy than I have now). I feel a little lost about what my options are at this stage or where to even begin.

    • TeeDee on August 21, 2018 at 6:58 pm

      There is no way that having gluten in your diet could be beneficial with all that we now know. If your energy was worse when you were gluten-free, I suspect it was something else entirely as gluten and lectins are usually the culprits when someone has gut pain and burning, bowel problems, etc. Carbs are ‘not’ essential to the human body, but some people can tolerate a moderate amount and enjoy them. As for more saturated fats, have you tried coconut oil or ghee? Both can be healthy fats if you tolerate them well.

  27. flo on August 22, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    Mikhaila is there anything to watch out for that is not food related?

    like could kissing someone with makeup on cause a reaction depending on the ingredients?

    or accidently inhaling airbourne gluten flour?

    • TeeDee on August 23, 2018 at 8:18 am

      Flo, hopefully Mikhaila can find time in her super busy schedule to answer your question, but I just want to mention that from an etiquette standpoint, we’re not supposed to kiss someone right on the face when we greet them so as to prevent messing up their make-up if they’re wearing it. It’s different if you know the person isn’t wearing it, but that’s where the “Hollywood air kiss” comes from. As for those you may kiss on the mouth as a greeting, maybe best to avoid if they’re wearing lipstick, but only if you’re super sensitive, but then you’d likely not be the type to kiss on the lips anyway.. As for inhaling things like gluten flour, etc. I would think that anyone with celiac or gluten/lectin sensitivities would always want to avoid hanging out in bakeries or in a friend’s kitchen while they’re using it. Other than that, just do the best you can in general because obsessing over all the possibilities causes as much stress to the body as many of the things you’re trying to avoid. That’s been proven.

      • flo on August 23, 2018 at 8:36 am

        Yeah i’s a good idea to do the air kiss!

        I guess i’m lucky my mom doesn’t bake a lot, i’m just trying to know what to watch out for 🙂

        thx!

  28. Gasem on August 24, 2018 at 8:04 am

    I found this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhzV-J1h0do

    It says a lot about the history of the “low fat diet”. I went through medical school and residency starting 1981 and was involved in distance running before that and every running magazine touted a high carb low fat low protein diet, so I lived through this period and was paying attention. It shows the politics in science. Metabolic syndrome is the end stage of the typical american diet but it shows up as early as middle school. I searched metabolic syndrome and RA and found a significant correlation. I searched depression and MS and found also a significant correlation. MS is normally related to diabetes and heart disease, but the end stage of these take decades to develop. This may be the reason your RA was not classic RA but an expression of early stages of MS. MS is a state of insulin resistance and is treated best IMHO with a low carb keto kind of diet consistent with carnivore. When I listen to your dad’s symptoms they are of a more end stage kind of MS presentation and likely would have progressed without dietary intervention. Thanks for asking this question it led me to some interesting conclusions.

    • Jim Kennedy on August 24, 2018 at 5:05 pm

      Great info. I found with type 2 if you have poor blood glucose control it pokes the fight or flight response. The more this happens the more chance of depression. 🙁 I can attest to this as N=1. at least.

  29. Ville Raatikainen on August 26, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    Hey! I bought fat in bulk from a butcher, but I found that the fat that I bought is waaaaaaay too chewy to eat. It must be from a bad part of the animal. It causes issues in my stomach as well.

    Do you ask for a specific part of the animal when you buy fat?

    Thanks! 🙂

  30. Saskia on August 30, 2018 at 7:44 pm

    Hi! I have tried going high fat and meat diet a few times and struggle every time with bad breath (aka keto breath or dragon’s breath) even after weeks and all I find as a treatment is to up the carbs. It is really upsetting to my partner. Did you have that problem? Did it go away? Or do you have a way to address it?

    • Mikhaila on August 30, 2018 at 8:00 pm

      I think it’s part of the die off symptoms. A microbiome change up can do that. I had a terrible taste in my mouth for a while. It does go away. You need 4-6 weeks to transition over.

      • Saskia on August 31, 2018 at 3:30 pm

        Thank you! That makes sense and is a relief to know. I will be patient.

    • teedee126 on August 30, 2018 at 8:03 pm

      If you can hang in there for 3-5 weeks, your body will adapt and you won’t have to worry about it. In the meantime, keep your mouth extra clean so that the keto breath won’t be worsened by regular odors. Some will add a few carbs back in, but that can kick you out of ketosis, so it’s not necessarily the best path. But in the end it’s your choice, as always. Good luck 🙂

      • Saskia on August 31, 2018 at 3:33 pm

        Thank you for the advice, much appreciated as it is such an embarrassment! The last time I added the carbs back but I really want to stay in ketosis. I’m just glad to hear that it should go away.

  31. Mark Omerta on August 31, 2018 at 1:06 pm
    • Terri/teedee126 on August 31, 2018 at 1:36 pm

      Ornish is biased for personal reasons and is therefore not a reliable source of any information regarding human health and nutrition.

  32. Herb on September 2, 2018 at 10:45 am

    Caprylic acid can help kill off yeast and a few days on that can really get the issue resolved nicely. Solaray Capryl is a good one. But any are fine.

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