THE MIKHAILA PETERSON PODCAST

 

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In this episode, Mikhaila hosts French Canadian symbolic thinker, YouTuber, editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal, and icon carver Jonathan Pageau, an explorer of how (underlying) symbolic patterns emerge, develop, and then manifest in religion, art, pop culture, etc. Mikhaila and Jonathan discuss finding God, the Protestant church (and the Reformation), human compassion, ways to go to Heaven (and Hell), the Protestant people (or: Purgatory denial), Christianity for mystics, the Bible, and—not least—the story of Purgatory. If you enjoyed this conversation, be sure to subscribe and hit the bell button!

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Learn more about his carvings http://pageaucarvings.com/index.html https://patreon.com/jonathanpageau and carving classes https://jonathanpageau.thinkific.com/courses/st-john-baptist

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Show Notes

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[00:00] Intro

[01:30] Pageau’s background

[02:33] How he got into symbolism

[03:33] Pageau’s pattern, explained

[06:56] Why the pattern matters

[09:44] Mikhaila finding God

[23:05] Mikhaila’s church-hunt

[24:31] Prayer & life’s extremes

[26:13] “Moderating with prayer and worship is part of it… Giving up success to something above you so it doesn’t carry you too high” – Jonathan Pageau

[28:19] Sharing beliefs with family

[28:39] Mikhaila’s demon-experience

[35:22] Bridging the story world and psychology with religion

[35:47] “If a literalist [or] uneducated person says ‘don’t do that, you’ll go to hell,’ they’re usually telling the truth” – JP

[36:06] “There are things you can do, and there are ways you can be, and there are ways you can engage with others that will tend you toward hell, you could say. Where you will have the worst experiences, and then there are ways to be, ways to engage with others which will bring you up” – JP

[37:48] Transforming suffering into God’s compassion

[42:59] “Who’s the person helping people who suffer? It’s usually someone who has suffered, and so there is a way that you can see that. Like it really is this image of transforming into blessing, transforming suffering into something else, which is actually manifesting God’s compassion in the world through us” – JP

[43:56] Why do some find God so easily?

[47:49] Differences in Christian Religions

[51:21] Pageau’s book recommendations

[54:53] “The Protestant Church is really a fruit of the modern world… whereas the catholic and orthodox church are more like a stream coming down from millennia” – JP

[56:54] Pageau’s church-advice for Mikhaila

[01:00:23] Different protestant churches

[01:01:24] The Reformation & Protestantism

[01:07:04] Pageau’s misgivings re: the Reformation

[01:08:44] Purgatory: Origins

[01:09:26] “The reformers say if it’s not in the bible, it’s not true, and it’s like OK, but that wasn’t the standard before” – JP

[01:10:19] “The Bible is a good means to prevent chaos. But the reality is more linked to the actual body of people and their connection to Christ through generations, who transmit not just books but a way to be and a way to pray and of seeing and engaging with God” – JP

[01:11:39] A mystical understanding of Christianity

[01:14:00] How do people parse reality from tradition?

[01:15:59] The fear of joining a church gone sideways

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Mikhaila Peterson (@mikhailapeterson Instagram) is a 28 year old mother, CEO, health influencer, writer and founder of the Lion Diet, from Toronto, Canada. She has put her idiopathic juvenile arthritis, severe depression (bipolar type II), and chronic fatigue (among other ailments) into remission using The Lion Diet - a beef, salt and water elimination diet. Although it may seem unorthodox, she’s thrived on it for over 2 years. Also recognized for her work with her father, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson (Canadian psychologist and author), she encourages others to take responsibility for every part of their physical and mental health, and teaches how to dramatically transform one's life by never giving up on yourself.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast is a podcast where host Mikhaila Peterson speaks with thought leaders, and industry changers - continually finding the best ways to improve the human experience. From stay at home mom’s to CEO’s, fitness enthusiasts to spiritual guides, nutrition researchers to health professionals - Mikhaila has interview-style conversations aimed at provoking thought, addressing difficult subjects, and speaking about topics that are generally shied away from.